- From: Joanmarie Diggs <jdiggs@igalia.com>
- Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 16:26:01 -0400
- To: "wai-xtech@w3.org" <wai-xtech@w3.org>
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
22 Sep 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/09/22-aapi-irc
Attendees
Present
Bryan_Garaventa, Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer,
Rich_Schwerdtfeger
Regrets
Cynthia_Shelly
Chair
Joseph_Scheuhammer
Scribe
joanie
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]CR
2. [5]ACTION-1309: (Cynthia) UIA and mappings for
aria-colindex and aria-rowindex.
3. [6]ACTION-1531: (Alex, David) Bolter to investigate
ia2 mapping of role="text".
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 22 September 2015
<clown> agenda: this
<clown> agenda: this
<scribe> scribe: joanie
CR
JS: When is CR?
RS: I think around January.
JS: It would be useful in determining the cut-off point for the
open actions.
... If something is deprecated, do implementors need to
implement it?
RS: I'm not sure; I'll have to ask Michael.
JS: There's also some discussion related to aria-errormessage
and aria-current.
RS: We do need to progress towards feature freeze.
... I've asked Michael for the exit criteria.
JS: I'm concerned about getting all the mappings done.
RS: When Matt is finished with what he's working on, that
should close quite a few issues and actions.
... We still need to sort out describedat, go with details and
an iframe, or something.
JS: I like details-summary.
RS: Michael is also busy dealing with charters.
<clown> action-1706?
<trackbot> action-1706 -- Cynthia Shelly to Compose a statement
regarding the "deprecation" of uia express mappings in the
core-aam, referencing the aria 1.0 mapping spec. -- due
2015-09-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[8]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1706
[8] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1706
JS: There's a couple of Cynthia's issues at the top.
... I didn't realize she would not be able to attend.
... With respect to the first item, I had an action to remove
the UIA Express column.
... But when I went to do it, I noticed I was supposed to get a
statement from Cynthia.
action-1706
<trackbot> action-1706 -- Cynthia Shelly to Compose a statement
regarding the "deprecation" of uia express mappings in the
core-aam, referencing the aria 1.0 mapping spec. -- due
2015-09-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[9]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1706
[9] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1706
JS: And my action is 1717.
RS: Did you get a chance to look at the SVG mapping?
JS: Not yet.
... I'll try to get to it this week.
... Making a branch in which to make comments in the document
would be an easy way for you (Rich) to see the comments.
ACTION-1309: (Cynthia) UIA and mappings for aria-colindex and
aria-rowindex.
JS: This has been around a long time.
<clown> action-1309
<trackbot> action-1309 -- Cynthia Shelly to Determine the best
place to map aria-colindex and aria-rowindex for msaa+uiexpress
and uia. -- due 2015-08-01 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[10]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1309
[10] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1309
JS: She is supposed to provide UIA mappings for rowindex and
colindex.
RS: So she only needs to do it for UIA?
JS: Correct.
RS: Why are you waiting on a statement from Cynthia on UIA?
JS: I think I have all other platforms but UIA.
RS: There is absolutely no way that any new ARIA 1.1 features
will be added to Internet Explorer.
... So I would just delete the entire UIA Express column.
JS: Right. But Cynthia is supposed to give me a statement that
UIA Express is deprecated.
RS: I would just delete the column.
JS: There's also scattered throughout the document references
to UIA Express. Should those also be removed?
RS: Yes.
JS: Ok, I will then try to get this done.
... I will edit action-1309 to remove mention of UIA Express.
ACTION-1531: (Alex, David) Bolter to investigate ia2 mapping of
role="text".
<clown> action-1531?
<trackbot> action-1531 -- David Bolter to Bolter to investigate
ia2 mapping of role="text" -- due 2014-11-18 -- OPEN
<trackbot>
[11]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1531
[11] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1531
JS: We need IA2 mappings of role="text".
... He has sent me some stuff, but is still trying to work out
the fact that the ATK mappings are different.
... Alex doesn't really like that.
JD: He's already dealt with this for things like span element
with onclick or some other must-expose property.
... So I don't understand why the mapping of role="text" is
different or problematic.
JS: What do these textframes buy you?
<clown> <div>A DIV with a <p>paragraph with a
<span>SPAN</span></p></div>
<clown> [12]http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#text
[12] http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#text
<clown>
[13]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ro
le-map-text
[13]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-text
JS: Does it make sense for both a span with an onclick handler
and the non-interactive ARIA role text to each map to the
textframe role in IA2?
JD: Why not? *IF* it makes sense to the NVDA guys.
<clown>
[14]http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs
/html/interface_i_accessible_text.html
[14]
http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/interface_i_accessible_text.html
[15]https://developer.gnome.org/atk/2.18/AtkObject.html#AtkRole
[15] https://developer.gnome.org/atk/2.18/AtkObject.html#AtkRole
A generic non-container object whose purpose is to display a
brief amount of information to the user and whose role is known
by the implementor but lacks semantic value for the user.
Examples in which ATK_ROLE_STATIC is appropriate include the
message displayed in a message box and an image used as an
alternative means to display text. ATK_ROLE_STATIC should not
be applied to widgets which are traditionally interactive,
objects which display a significant [CUT]
<clown> <p>I <span role="text img" aria-label="love">♥︎</span>
New York.</p>
<clown> <p><span role="text img" aria-label="3 of 5
stars">★★★☆☆︎</span></p>
<clown> <p>I <img src="icon.gif" alt="love" role="text"> New
York.︎</p>
<img src="stars" role="text" />
<clown> From IA2 documentation: IA2_ROLE_TEXT_FRAME Collection
of objects that constitute a logical text entity.
<clown> note: there is also MSAA ROLE_SYSTEM_TEXT
<clown> accessible text inteface:
[16]http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs
/html/interface_i_accessible_text.html
[16]
http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/interface_i_accessible_text.html
(Group discusses, looks on mailing lists, sends stakeholders
emails, and pings others via IRC)
<clown> scribenick: clown
Group: Two things: Regarding IA2_TEXT_FRAME, does it incur an
IAccessilbe2 text interface, necessarily?
... Having a text interface for an img (with role text) doesn't
work, since the cursor navigation will not work.
<scribe> scribenick: joanie
<richardschwerdtfeger>
[17]http://127.0.0.1/~richardschwerdtfeger/aria/dpub-aam/dpub-a
am.html
[17] http://127.0.0.1/~richardschwerdtfeger/aria/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html
<richardschwerdtfeger>
[18]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html
[18] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html
JD: Having spoken with Alex via IRC, the conclusion is this: We
... will map role="text" to ATK_ROLE_STATIC and the equivalent
in IA2.
... Alex says the equivalent is TEXTFRAME, but that we should
check with Jamie.
... Since Rich emailed Jamie, the IA2 mapping is blocked on
that.
<clown>
[19]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html#role_defin
itions
[19] http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html#role_definitions
[20]https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Acces
sibility/Reference/AccessibilityCarbonRef/#//apple_ref/doc/cons
tant_group/Subroles
[20]
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Accessibility/Reference/AccessibilityCarbonRef/#//apple_ref/doc/constant_group/Subroles
Summary of Action Items
[End of minutes]
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