Re: Regarding IE role=radio checked state bug

Hey Bryan.

Cynthia suggested http://connect.microsoft.com/ie. But we had changed
topics right before then so the link she provided isn't under the topic
to which it pertains.

Hope this helps.
--joanie

On 07/10/2014 09:15 PM, Bryan Garaventa wrote:
> Hi,
> Please let me know where to file the IE bug regarding Radio role states, and I'll be happy to do so.
> Thanks,
> Bryan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joanmarie Diggs [mailto:jdiggs@igalia.com] 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 1:05 PM
> To: wai-xtech@w3.org
> Subject: [aapi] Minutes: UAI TF Meeting Tue 8 July 2014
> 
> Link: http://www.w3.org/2014/07/08-aapi-minutes.html
> 
> Plain text follows:
>    [1]W3C
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>       [1] http://www.w3.org/
> 
>                                - DRAFT -
> 
>            Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
>                               08 Jul 2014
> 
>    See also: [2]IRC log
> 
>       [2] http://www.w3.org/2014/07/08-aapi-irc
> 
> Attendees
> 
>    Present
>           +1.416.848.aaaa, Bryan_Garaventa, Cynthia_Shelly,
>           David_Bolter, Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer,
>           Rich_Schwerdtfeger, janina_
> 
>    Regrets
>    Chair
>           Joseph_Scheuhammer
> 
>    Scribe
>           Joanmarie_Diggs
> 
> Contents
> 
>      * [3]Topics
>          1. [4]ACTION-1115: (All) Review new text: MUST NOT expose
>             custom role in MSAA.
>          2. [5]ACTION-980: (David) Define mappings for managed
>             aria related states.
>          3. [6]ACTION-1450 (Joseph): Provide link to UIA Express
>             in section 3 of caam.
>          4. [7]ACTION-1115: (All) Review new text: MUST NOT expose
>             custom role in MSAA.
>          5. [8]ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for
>             aria-describedby in 5.5.1 table where referenced
>             accessible is not in the a11y tree.
>          6. [9]ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create test case for
>             rowgroup role.
>          7. [10]Action 967
>          8. [11]Action 1280
>          9. [12]Other burning issues?
>         10. [13]Alex will take over for Pete Brunet as IA2
>             maintainer.
>         11. [14]Why is there no checked state for radios in IE?
>         12. [15]Tab index value
>      * [16]Summary of Action Items
>      __________________________________________________________
> 
>    <trackbot> Date: 08 July 2014
> 
>    <clown> agenda: this
> 
>    <davidb> i'll be a bit late, someone is squatting in my phone
>    rom
> 
>    <davidb> room
> 
>    <scribe> scribe: Joanmarie_Diggs
> 
> ACTION-1115: (All) Review new text: MUST NOT expose custom role in MSAA.
> 
>    <clown> action-1115?
> 
>    <trackbot> action-1115 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Find reference
>    in MSAA spec that says you can't put anything in the role
>    property except roles that are defined by the MSAA spec -- due
>    2014-07-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
> 
>    <trackbot>
>    [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1115
> 
>      [17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1115
> 
>    JS: I had to make a change to the document so I marked the
>    action pending review.
> 
>    <clown>
>    [18]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
>    mentation.html#mapping_role
> 
>      [18]
> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#mapping_role
> 
>    JS: The above URL gets you close.
>    ... In section 5.4, look for item 5
>    ... The MSAA bullet says "not supported". I added
>    ... a link to the document and this statement
> 
>    <clown> User agents MUST NOT expose a custom role in MSAA's
>    accRole property.
> 
>    JS: David, that is the law from Microsoft
> 
>    DB: I will talk this over with Alex
> 
>    JS: So we'll leave this pending review?
>    ... It seems that the documentation is pretty clear.
> 
>    RS: That has been violated for decades.
> 
>    DB: I've been told by some of the Windows AT vendors that if we
>    take this out, it won't break things.
>    ... So maybe IA2 has made this doable.
> 
>    JS: What this is about is if you have a WAI ARIA role string
>    that doesn't match the API, and you have a way to expose it,
>    you should do so. But MSAA doesn't have such a way.
> 
>    DB: I'd prefer the MUST NOT not be there.
> 
>    JS: Cynthia has stated that it is not a SHOULD, but I'd like
>    her opinion.
> 
>    DB: I have a patch that removes it. But I want to check with
>    Alex first.
> 
> ACTION-980: (David) Define mappings for managed aria related states.
> 
>    <clown> action-980?
> 
>    <trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Define mappings for
>    managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset,
>    arla-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5
>    bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2014-07-01 -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot>
>    [19]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
> 
>      [19] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
> 
>    DB: I'm aware of this item.
>    ... I have not yet had the opportunity to do it and would like
>    a little more time.
> 
>    JS: This is associated with ARIA 1.1, but I don't see any issue
>    associated with it.
> 
> ACTION-1450 (Joseph): Provide link to UIA Express in section 3 of caam.
> 
>    <clown> action-1450?
> 
>    <trackbot> action-1450 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Provide link to
>    uia express for accessibility api reference in section 3 of
>    caam -- due 2014-07-08 -- PENDINGREVIEW
> 
>    <trackbot>
>    [20]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1450
> 
>      [20] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1450
> 
>    JS: Related URLs are
> 
>    <clown>
>    [21]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
>    mentation.html#intro_aapi
> 
>      [21]
> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#intro_aapi
> 
>    JS: The link to UIA Express has been added in section 1.1
>    Accessibility APIs
> 
>    <clown>
>    [22]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
>    mentation.html#glossary
> 
>      [22]
> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#glossary
> 
>    JS: I should contact the people who maintain the bibliographic
>    references and ask them to add this one.
>    ... The first term in the glossary is the Accessibility APIs.
>    So I added a reference there too.
> 
>    <clown>
>    [23]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
>    mentation.html#glossary
> 
>      [23]
> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#glossary
> 
>    <clown>
>    [24]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
>    mentation.html#intro_aapi
> 
>      [24]
> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#intro_aapi
> 
>    CS: That looks fine.
> 
>    JS: We can close this action.
> 
> ACTION-1115: (All) Review new text: MUST NOT expose custom role in MSAA.
> 
>    <clown>
>    [25]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
>    mentation.html#mapping_role
> 
>      [25]
> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#mapping_role
> 
>    JS: (Reviews item 1)
> 
>    RS: I suspect the reason is the custom roles don't get mapped
>    over correctly, right?
> 
>    CS: This has never been supported.
> 
>    DB: Alex and I would prefer SHOULD NOT rather than MUST NOT.
>    ... And the reality is that only Firefox is doing this, right?
> 
>    JS: What does Chrome do on Windows?
> 
>    DB: I'm not sure, though they tend to be consistent with what
>    Firefox does.
> 
>    JS: Has this hack ever broken anything?
> 
>    DB: I don't believe so.
> 
>    CS: I need to run this by some people. My preference is MUST
>    NOT.
> 
>    DB: If there is a technical reason, then we should keep the
>    MUST NOT.
> 
>    CS: MSAA is deprecated.
> 
>    JS: I will leave this open.
> 
>    CS: You can give me an action to run the MUST NOT vs SHOULD NOT
>    by people.
> 
>    <clown> ACTION: Cynthia to check with IE team whether statement
>    re: ACTION-1115, "User agents MUST NOT expose a custom role in
>    MSAA's accRole property." can be a SHOULD NOT. [recorded in
>    [26]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/08-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
> 
>    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1478 - Check with ie team whether
>    statement re: action-1115, "user agents must not expose a
>    custom role in msaa's accrole property." can be a should not.
>    [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2014-07-15].
> 
>    <clown> action-1478?
> 
>    <trackbot> action-1478 -- Cynthia Shelly to Check with ie team
>    whether statement re: action-1115, "user agents must not expose
>    a custom role in msaa's accrole property." can be a should not.
>    -- due 2014-07-15 -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot>
>    [27]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1478
> 
>      [27] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1478
> 
>    Zakim take up item 3
> 
> ACTION-1104: (Cynthia) UIA mapping for aria-describedby in 5.5.1 table where referenced accessible is not in the a11y tree.
> 
>    <clown> action-1104?
> 
>    <trackbot> action-1104 -- Cynthia Shelly to Define what the
>    accessibility API mapping is for UIA on aria-describedby in
>    section 5.5.1 table when the element does not exist in the
>    accessibility tree such as when css: display:none applies --
>    due 2014-06-30 -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot>
>    [28]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
> 
>      [28] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1104
> 
>    CS: I will spend some time on actions in the next couple of
>    weeks.
> 
>    RS: Thank you for updating the focus section so that it's more
>    generic.
> 
>    JS: I am making that whole section more generic.
> 
>    RS: This is good.
> 
> ACTION-1372: (Cynthia) Create test case for rowgroup role.
> 
>    <clown> action-1372?
> 
>    <trackbot> action-1372 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case,
>    if there is none, to test the rowgroup role -- due 2014-07-01
>    -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot>
>    [29]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1372
> 
>      [29] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1372
> 
>    <clown> issue-635?
> 
>    <trackbot> issue-635 -- Determine if uaig mappings for rowgroup
>    are correct -- open
> 
>    <trackbot> [30]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/635
> 
>      [30] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/635
> 
>    JS: This is related to issue-635
>    ... We needed a test case specifically for rowgroup so we can
>    customize the mappings and be sure they are right.
> 
>    CS: I will work on this soon.
> 
>    <clown> [31]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
> 
>      [31] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
> 
> Action 967
> 
>    <clown> action-967?
> 
>    <trackbot> action-967 -- Janina Sajka to work with Rich to work
>    with DAISY establish a structural navigation model for ARIA
>    landmarks related to comment 362 -- due 2014-01-08 -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot>
>    [32]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/967
> 
>      [32] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/967
> 
>    <clown>
>    [33]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/comments/details?comment_id
>    =362
> 
>      [33] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/comments/details?comment_id=362
> 
>    Janina: I think this will be covered by the new roles which
>    will be discussed by the epub group.
> 
>    RS: All the roles related to ebooks will be delivered through
>    the ARIA role attribute.
> 
>    JS: So this issue can be closed as being taken up by epub.
> 
>    Janina: They really want support in the HTML validator.
> 
>    RS: We have a fallback mechanism in the role attributes, so if
>    it's not something the browser knows about it's not terrible.
> 
>    Janina: But I think they still want the validator to pass and
>    flag these roles.
>    ... And I don't think this is automatic.
> 
>    (Group agrees to close this)
> 
> Action 1280
> 
>    <clown> action-1280?
> 
>    <trackbot> action-1280 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Take a first
>    pass at pulling aria core implementation out of aria UAIG --
>    due 2013-10-25 -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot>
>    [34]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1280
> 
>      [34] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1280
> 
>    RS: We already have a first draft.
> 
>    JS: And I'm already working on the keyboard nav and focus
>    section.
> 
>    Janina: IndieUI-ify it.
> 
>    JS: It's now closed.
> 
>    RS: I'm writing the SVG2 mapping spec.
> 
>    JS: All the table entries now have IDs. But I don't think it
>    happened in time for the heartbeat.
> 
>    <clown> [35]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
> 
>      [35] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/23
> 
> Other burning issues?
> 
>    <clown> action-1258?
> 
>    <trackbot> action-1258 -- Jon Gunderson to Write some uaig test
>    cases and expected results starting with test case 102 and
>    working backward -- due 2013-09-16 -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot>
>    [36]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1258
> 
>      [36] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1258
> 
>    RS: Can we just close action 1258?
> 
>    JS: I think Jon did this with his big ramp up to running the
>    test cases.
>    ... Closed.
> 
>    <clown> action-980?
> 
>    <trackbot> action-980 -- David Bolter to Define mappings for
>    managed aria related states: aria-setsize, aria-posinset,
>    arla-level, focused, focusable with reference to section 5.5
>    bullet 1 of the UAIG. -- due 2014-07-22 -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot>
>    [37]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
> 
>      [37] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/980
> 
>    RS: We don't have action-980 done yet?
> 
>    DB: I think you are waiting on me for that one?
> 
>    JS: We just changed the due date.
> 
>    <clown> action-1279?
> 
>    <trackbot> action-1279 -- Shane McCarron to Talk to mobile
>    manufacturers about how to include their apis -- due 2013-10-25
>    -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot>
>    [38]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1279
> 
>      [38] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1279
> 
>    RS: Action 1279 is one we should really get started on.
>    ... We don't have any mobile API mappings.
>    ... This is really important.
>    ... I don't know if Shane is the right guy to have this.
> 
>    JS: It looks like this used to be associated with the spec, but
>    James Craig seems to have moved it.
> 
>    RS: I think the person you might want to reach out to first is
>    James Craig when he gets back from vacation.
> 
>    CS: And google?
> 
>    RS: Dominic would know the right person.
> 
>    CS: And BlackBerry?
> 
>    RS: Do you do anything different for mobile?
> 
>    CS: I would need to check.
> 
>    Janina: It's probably smart to list it regardless.
> 
>    RS: Larry should be pretty familiar with it since he worked on
>    narrator for mobile.
> 
>    action-1320
> 
>    <trackbot> action-1320 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Consider
>    mapping the "offscreen" api properties in the situation of
>    aria-hidden="false" on non-rendered elements. -- due 2014-12-23
>    -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot>
>    [39]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1320
> 
>      [39] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1320
> 
>    <clown> action-1320?
> 
>    <trackbot> action-1320 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Consider
>    mapping the "offscreen" api properties in the situation of
>    aria-hidden="false" on non-rendered elements. -- due 2014-12-23
>    -- OPEN
> 
>    <trackbot>
>    [40]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1320
> 
>      [40] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1320
> 
>    DB: This is pretty complex.
> 
>    JS: My impression from bugzilla discussions at Mozilla is that
>    they might not change their minds.
>    ... I offered that whatever you do for offscreen could also be
>    used for aria-hidden=false
>    ... But Alex didn't seem to want to do this.
> 
> Alex will take over for Pete Brunet as IA2 maintainer.
> 
>    DB: And Alex would like more members.
> 
>    CS: Does this mean IA2 is in active development again?
> 
>    Group: Yes!
> 
>    (Group discusses the desire to have the Accessibility APIs
>    converge)
> 
>    RS: ARIA 2 might be the right time to do this.
> 
>    <clown>
>    [41]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/000
>    7.html
> 
>      [41] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0007.html
> 
> Why is there no checked state for radios in IE?
> 
>    BG: Describes what is in
>    [42]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/000
>    7.html
> 
>      [42] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2014Jul/0007.html
> 
>    CS: That sounds like a bug.
> 
>    BG: I'll file it if you tell me where to do so.
> 
>    <clown>
>    [43]http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-imple
>    mentation.html#keyboard-focus_tabindex
> 
>      [43]
> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/implementation/aria-implementation.html#keyboard-focus_tabindex
> 
> Tab index value
> 
>    <cyns> IE bugs go here [44]http://connect.microsoft.com/ie
> 
>      [44] http://connect.microsoft.com/ie
> 
>    RS: Tab index is read/write in HTML5.
>    ... I need to talk to Steve about this.
> 
>    JS: If you have rotating tabs, you might want to set the value
>    to -1.
> 
>    <clown> jQuery.attr ('tabindex', −1)
> 
>    who as aaaa?
> 
> Summary of Action Items
> 
>    [NEW] ACTION: Cynthia to check with IE team whether statement
>    re: ACTION-1115, "User agents MUST NOT expose a custom role in
>    MSAA's accRole property." can be a SHOULD NOT. [recorded in
>    [45]http://www.w3.org/2014/07/08-aapi-minutes.html#action01]
> 
>    [End of minutes]
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