Minutes: [aapi] UAI TF Meeting Agenda 10 Jan 2013

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         Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference: UAIG

10 Jan 2013

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Attendees

    Present
           David_Bolter, Joseph_Scheuhammer

    Regrets
           Cynthia

    Chair
           Joseph_Scheuhammer

    Scribe
           clown

Contents

      * [4]Topics
      * [5]Summary of Action Items
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    action-891?

    <trackbot> ACTION-891 -- Matthew King to write testable
    statements for aria-describedby -- due 2012-03-05 -- OPEN

    <trackbot> [7]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/891

       [7] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/891

    <scribe> agenda: this

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    action-891?

    <trackbot> ACTION-891 -- Matthew King to write testable
    statements for aria-describedby -- due 2012-03-05 -- OPEN

    <trackbot> [8]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/891

       [8] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/891

    [9]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_state-
    property_table

       [9] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_state-property_table

    really a question for Cynthia, but she is not here.

    issue-486?

    <trackbot> ISSUE-486 -- UAIG has some MUST requirements that
    could only be tested in HTML 5, but 1) the ARIA spec is being
    tested only against HTML 4 and we prefer to do the same with
    UAIG, and 2) HTML 5 isn't complete; so we need to deal with
    this in the UAIG CR exit criteria n -- open

    <trackbot> [10]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486

      [10] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/issues/486

    [11]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focu
    s_tabindex

      [11] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#keyboard-focus_tabindex

    resolution: keep the "Controlling focus with tabindex" secition
    in the UAIG, and write test cases for it when the UAIG is in
    CR. They will most likely pass.

    resolved: keep the "Controlling focus with tabindex" secition
    in the UAIG, and write test cases for it when the UAIG is in
    CR.  They will most likely pass.

    RESOLUTION: keep the "Controlling focus with tabindex" secition
    in the UAIG, and write test cases for it when the UAIG is in
    CR.  They will most likely pass.

    DB: want to use the rest of the time to work on my action.

    action-983?

    <trackbot> ACTION-983 -- David Bolter to create MSAA/IA2
    special case test cases from existing generated test cases for
    the tables. -- due 2012-03-14 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [12]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/983

      [12] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/983

    action-1102?

    <trackbot> ACTION-1102 -- David Bolter to get someone to look
    at the SHOULD statements in the Role Mapping table. Can these
    be changed from "SHOULD be exposed" to "expose as" -- due
    2012-07-25 -- OPEN

    <trackbot>
    [13]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1102

      [13] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1102

    <davidb>
    [14]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_
    table

      [14] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-implementation/#mapping_role_table

    DB: a button that gets an aria-pressed attribute after the page
    has loaded, might not be exposed as a toggle button.
    ... if you change the role in MSAA, you should destroy the
    object, and create a new one.

    JS: that's in the spec, for all AAPIs.
    ... if aria-pressed is present from the beginning, any reason
    to not expose as toggle button?

    DB: let me check the code.
    ... actually it should work dynamically as well. So, it should
    work in FF.

    JS: next one is listbox role. under AT-SPI

    DB: looking at ATK.
    ... feel like asking joanie if that is correct — that a
    LIST_BOX becomes a MENU when owed by a combobox.
    ... found a ATK to UIA mapping that suggest it becomes a menu.
    ... I'm inclined to remove the 'SHOULD be' here.

    <davidb> was here
    [15]http://www.mono-project.com/Accessibility:_UiaAtkBridge

      [15] http://www.mono-project.com/Accessibility:_UiaAtkBridge

    JS: next one is option. if the OPTION has a parent that is
    MENU, then the OPTION is exposed as MENU_ITEM.

    DB: I'm ok with removing the SHOULD.

    JS: next one is aria-label and Apple's AX. I'll ask James about
    that one.
    ... next is aria-level, in the IA2 column.

    DB: I'm trying to understand the purpose of that statement,
    ... I guess it's trying to say that the cleaned up a11y tree
    structure should match the aria-level value.
    ... I would take it out.

    <scribe> ACTION: Joseph to replace the "should be" the sentence
    "The structure should be reflected in the accessibility tree as
    directed by aria-level" with "is". [recorded in
    [16]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1145 - Replace the "should be" the
    sentence "The structure should be reflected in the
    accessibility tree as directed by aria-level" with "is". [on
    Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-01-17].

    JS: next is aria-owns

    DB: the IE team may be doing something dangerous here, namely,
    changing the structure of the a11y tree.
    ... FF doesn't do that. It would make the code fragile.
    ... these "should"s probably predate the columns...
    ... probably make these actual SHOULD (normative).

    JS: that's a question for Cynthia, since the "should be" is in
    the UIA columns.
    ... also there is a "should not be" in the IA2 column. Change
    that to an "is"?

    JS; "is not"

    [17]https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/110

      [17] https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases/edit/110

    <scribe> ACTION: Joseph to change the "should not" in "The
    accessibility tree should not be modified." to "is not" for
    aria-owns property in UAIG state/properties table. [recorded in
    [18]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1146 - Change the "should not" in
    "The accessibility tree should not be modified." to "is not"
    for aria-owns property in UAIG state/properties table. [on
    Joseph Scheuhammer - due 2013-01-17].

    JS: next one is aria-posinset. Looks same as aria-level.
    ... one more under menu, a "SHOULD not be"

    DB: I don't know what that is talking about.
    ... needs more text to explain what that is about.

    <scribe> ACTION: David Bolter to explain ATK/AT-SPI menu role
    mapping "SHOULD NOT be" note. [recorded in
    [19]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html#action03]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-1147 - Bolter to explain ATK/AT-SPI
    menu role mapping "SHOULD NOT be" note. [on David Bolter - due
    2013-01-17].

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: David Bolter to explain ATK/AT-SPI menu role
    mapping "SHOULD NOT be" note. [recorded in
    [20]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: Joseph to change the "should not" in "The
    accessibility tree should not be modified." to "is not" for
    aria-owns property in UAIG state/properties table. [recorded in
    [21]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: Joseph to replace the "should be" the sentence
    "The structure should be reflected in the accessibility tree as
    directed by aria-level" with "is". [recorded in
    [22]http://www.w3.org/2013/01/10-aapi-minutes.html#action01]

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