- From: Pawson, David <David.Pawson@rnib.org.uk>
- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:40:18 +0100
- To: "david poehlman" <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>, <wai-xtech@w3.org>
- CC: <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>
-----Original Message----- From: david poehlman I'm interested in getting at the heart of things, so hope we can have discussion so I post the below. Analyses of analyses: Can we have this in daisy book fashion? dp. Have what Dave? *Primary navigation. *Secondary navigation. *Tertiary navigation. *dp* this expresses no meaning for me at all. A chunk of a web page which contains navigation, e.g. a list of links. Relative to the page, its either primary, secondary or tertiary. *Generic navigation. *dp* maybe a better term would be menu or main menu? If it is unrelated than perhaps site menu? Can some of these be described as tables of contents? It may not be presented as a menu. It may not be tabular, but that would be an alternative? E.g. The amazon site, on any page, has links to other areas, e.g. I'm in the cookbook section, a generic navigation area links out to thrillers. We tried to generalise such that it might be applicable to many sites. *Contextual navigation. *dp* this sends a signal to me about internalization not same as above at all. It is more closely aligned with a table of contents. dp. The only difference between this and the above is that this is related to the content and hence context of the main contents of this page. E.g. could be to other cookbooks in the amazon example. *Logo Text or graphical item. This is too non specific a meaning for something so specific. I'd say that a logo is the company/organizational mast head. I'm not even sure I'd call it a cannonical page part as it is often contained in something that does something or if it stands alone, it's just a logo. dp. I'd be happy with masthead, but on some sites we looked at it was a tiny fraction of the page width, e.g. virgin and zdnet. *Header. Content at the top of a page, often common across the pages of a specific site. Visual separation from the content of the page. *dp* top of page? This has more meaning orientatively than header. dp. Yes, agreed. That was the direction, a visual analysis. After which the terms could be used for other things. *Footer. Often common across a site. Usually visually separated from the remainder of the page, may contain other items. *dp* more generically, end of page? Footer is fine though because unlike header, it is usually more prominently displayed. dp. We found quite a variance in the footer size. Similarly with what we agreed was a header. The only help we found was using the 'constant across the pages of a site'. *A form. As per the html definition. Unsure if a searchbox is an equivalent. I think we need to use form in the fullest sense. dp. I'm happy with that. I didn't specify its size. A form as per the html sense matches our use. *Content (perhaps page content might be more specific?). The major block of content of a page. Often the central block in a page. *dp* the entire page is content. We need to deffine this more precicely as a block of text and possibly only one block of text or main page body if that is the case. dp. From our visual inspection, the definition we were happy with was not difficult to spot. Often the central area of the entire page. Often the actual bit read, as apposed to links to other places. Suggest a better word than content please Dave? *Section. A part of content. May have its own heading. *dp* what bounds a section? What is a section contained in? dp. Varies with the page being analysed, as I said in my vocabulary. These are generic. Apply what nesting is appropriate to the page being described, to the granularity needed for use. *Text block. Lowest level of content, from a single paragraph up to a series of paragraphs. *dp* perhaps not the lowest level. dp. Ditto, apply what nesting is needed for the application. >From the sites we looked at, we agreed that this generally was the visually lowest level. *Advertisement. Visual entity, text or graphic or animated gif or other means of realisation. *dp* I like the description, but advertisement may not be the correct word here since lots of these are done for other than advert reasons. Advertisement is certainly something that welcomes distinction though so we can throw it away. dp. If its not an advert, don't call it one. We meant this word specifically for adverts, not the more general graphics or images etc. *pop-up window. Is this part of a page? *dp* is it there before you pop it up? dp. I don't know Dave. We decided to ask on this one, since a pop up originates from a specific page, but is not part of it? How to relate this to a fly-out menu, or tooltip etc. ** site reviews. *Left hand side, there are 5 blocks. *dp* this is missing from the list above and is important to have. Sorry, this is what I am describing. Hence there are words for 5 'things'. 5 screen areas being described. Hence blocks. *Right hand side, 5 blocks. *dp* this is also meaningfull and missing from the list of terms. as above, not a term. *block 1 to 5, contextual navigation b*lock 6, advertisement What determines the number of the block? dp. Visual count that we did. HTH DaveP -- DISCLAIMER: NOTICE: The information contained in this email and any attachments is confidential and may be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient you should not use, disclose, distribute or copy any of the content of it or of any attachment; you are requested to notify the sender immediately of your receipt of the email and then to delete it and any attachments from your system. RNIB endeavours to ensure that emails and any attachments generated by its staff are free from viruses or other contaminants. However, it cannot accept any responsibility for any such which are transmitted. 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