Re: Selecting evaluation tools - Final (?) version

Thank you hearing me out Shadi, and already being on top of it. Which is
what I figured.

I appreciate the response and the support you are providing.

Brent



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On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 8:52 AM, Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org> wrote:

> Hi Brent,
>
> My suggestions are already in a pull request. Happy to do another one if
> the editors will find helpful, but that would only be later in the week. My
> hope was to give them feedback earlier, and check if it's sufficient.
>
> Regarding level, point #1 and #2 are really the same underlying issue. I
> am not stuck on any particular wording but feel rather strongly that the
> document should be stand-alone as well as explain the tools list, rather
> than be so dependent on the tools list. Point #4 seems to be a mistake, and
> point #3 is for editors' discretion if in line with the style guide.
>
> Best,
>   Shadi
>
>
> On 14/11/2017 15:31, Bakken, Brent wrote:
>
>> Hi Shadi,
>>
>> Sorry to step in. Just a couple of things here.
>>
>> On each comment that you provide, can you let Nic and Laura know if they
>> are for Editor's Discretion (meaning they can analyse what you are saying
>> and choose to implement, not implement, or find a middle ground in their
>> own opinion and move on), or if they are Strong (meaning that you are
>> expecting a change and would like to have them check back with you to be
>> sure it addresses the concern you have).
>>
>> Second, on each comment, can you suggest specifically what should/could
>> be used in the place of what you are not particularly fond of. this will
>> help them implement the change more clearly in the direction you were
>> hoping it would go and also takes less work for them. This may in fact be
>> the reason you are suggesting a pull-request because it is easier for you
>> to provide the content that you are hoping to be implemented.
>>
>> I know you know all of these strategies as you have taught them to me and
>> other EO people over and over again.  :)
>> I really think they would help Nic and Laura get this document into final
>> draft for review sooner.
>>
>> Thank you for providing the feedback.
>>
>> Nic and Laura, thank you for seeing this through. Almost there.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>> *__*
>>
>> Brent A. Bakken
>> Director, Accessibility Strategy & Education Services
>> Pearson
>>
>> 512 202 1087
>> brent.bakken@pearson.com <mailto:brent.bakken@pearson.com>
>>
>> Learn more at pearson.com <http://pearson.com>
>> Pearson
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 8:11 AM, Shadi Abou-Zahra <shadi@w3.org <mailto:
>> shadi@w3.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Hi Nic,
>>
>>     I only had time to do a quick skim, but many thanks for addressing
>>     many of my concerns! Just a few things that caught my attention,
>> though:
>>
>>     - I still don't really like the heading "Features You Can Use as a
>>     Filter". It just does not make sense to me on this page, if I'm not
>>     aware of the tools list. It takes quite some mind work (eg read the
>>     *prior* paragraph) to understand the context.
>>
>>     - I find the tone and approach of the descriptions rather
>>     inconsistent and confusing. Often you are describing the
>>     functionality of the tools list rather than the actual tool feature
>>     itself.
>>
>>     - Not sure about use of "e.g." and "etc.". I don't like that style
>>     (personal opinion), but don't know if it is covered in the EO guide.
>>
>>     - "Accessibility Information" is actually a feature that you can
>>     sort by. I had moved it up. Not sure if you disagree or just missed
>> it.
>>
>>
>>     Are these comments helpful for you, or do you prefer that I raise
>>     them as issues or put them in another pull request?
>>
>>     Best,
>>        Shadi
>>
>>
>>     On 13/11/2017 21:05, Nic Steenhout wrote:
>>
>>         Hello Shadi,
>>
>>         Laura and I have, we think, finalized and incorporated the
>>         changes you suggested to the Selecting evaluation tools page.
>>
>>         https://github.com/w3c/wai-selecting-eval-tools/blob/master/
>> index.md
>>         <https://github.com/w3c/wai-selecting-eval-tools/blob/master
>> /index.md>
>>
>>         I had to rewrite the page manually as I was not able to merge
>>         only parts of your pull request.
>>
>>         We both like how the page is looking at the moment.
>>
>>         Could you have a look and if things are good on your front,
>>         we'll be able to initiate a request for review from the whole
>>         group this Friday!
>>
>>         Thank you
>>
>>         Nic
>>
>>
>>     --     Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
>>     <http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/>
>>     Accessibility Strategy and Technology Specialist
>>     Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
>>     World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
>>
>>
>>
> --
> Shadi Abou-Zahra - http://www.w3.org/People/shadi/
> Accessibility Strategy and Technology Specialist
> Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI)
> World Wide Web Consortium (W3C)
>