- From: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
- Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:16:37 -0400 (EDT)
- To: "Kevin O'Sullivan" <Kevin.OSullivan@internexusgroup.co.uk>
- cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Kevin O'Sullivan wrote: > I don't see what the problem is regarding paying for software that costs a great deal to develop. Seems like everyone wants everything for free on the internet. I don't see a problem with paying for software, BUT I OPPOSE being REQUIRED to purchase software and hardware to USE the public web. there is a big difference between visiting a website and being forced to purchase a specific set software packages just to be able to see the site. vs someone selling a product that will make my life easier, but not something that I do not have a choice of purchasing to be able to use something else Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org]On > Behalf Of Jim Tobias > Sent: 28 October 2004 15:24 > To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org > Subject: RE: License conditions Re: aDesigner - was Re: Bobby - a bad > tool > > > > What's going on here? > > 1. Anyone who's tried aDesigner knows it's a pretty good tool. It's as good > as some of the tools that cost money. Any dissent on that? From my use of > it, it's an excellent training tool as well as an evaluation tool with some > features not found elsewhere, especially the low vision evaluation window. > > 2. We blow hot and cold on commercial involvement. On the one hand we want > companies to take accessibility seriously. On the other hand we don't want > anyone to make any money doing so. > > 3. It's quite likely that the current conditions in the license are out of > the hands of aDesigner's team. In any event, is it diabolical of IBM to > protect its IP in the event that it becomes a commercial product? Does this > seem to people on this list as a > "first-one's-free-now-you're-hooked-and-the-price-is-one-MILLION-dollars-bwa > hahaha" game? > > > Geez, what ever happened to being supportive towards professional > colleagues? > > ***** > Jim Tobias > Inclusive Technologies > tobias@inclusive.com > 732.441.0831 v/tty > www.inclusive.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org > > [mailto:w3c-wai-ig-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Lauke > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 9:32 AM > > To: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org > > Subject: RE: License conditions Re: aDesigner - was Re: Bobby > > - a bad tool > > > > > > So, to sum it up: look, but don't touch, and even if you like > > what you see > > there's still no guarantee that we'll ever release it as a > > commercial product. > > > > Nice. > > > > Patrick > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charles@sidar.org] > > > Sent: 28 October 2004 12:03 > > > To: Phill Jenkins > > > Cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org > > > Subject: License conditions Re: aDesigner - was Re: Bobby - > > a bad tool > > > > > > > > > > > > I read the license. As I understand it, I am allowed to use > > this for a > > > maximum of 90 days from the time I install it (which is where > > > I agree to > > > the license), and only for testing it, not for any actual usage. In > > > fulfilling the license I am also required to keep a record of > > > when I have > > > copied it. > > > > > > Furthermore, if IBM releases some commercial product based > > on this, my > > > right to use it expires immediately, and I have to buy the comercial > > > product. > > > > > > At the end of either 90 days or the release of commercial > > > product by IBM I > > > have ten days to remove this from my system. > > > > > > Then there are a set of conditions that apply according to > > > the country I > > > was in when I downloaded the software. In general they > > > specify particular > > > courts where we agree to handle any legal dispute over the > > software or > > > license, and occasionally they add notes pointing out that > > the general > > > conditions of teh warranty are not valid in some jurisdictions. > > > > > > Since I only intend to evaluate the thing, this seems fine. > > But anyone > > > who, for example, wanted their university web designers to > > > use it in order > > > to produce more accessible production content, would be in > > > violation of > > > the license, and liable for damages (likely to be the cost of any > > > comercial version or commercial license). > > > > > > Does this sound right, or did I miss something? > > > > > > cheers > > > > > > Chaals > > > > > > -- > > > Charles McCathieNevile charles@sidar.org > > > http://www.sidar.org > > > > > > <quote who="Phill Jenkins"> > > > > I won't comment on the other tools, but I do need to let > > > you all know > > > > about a new kind of a tool from IBM alphaWorks called > > > aDesigner. It does > > > > things no other tools do. It simulates barriers > > > experienced by people who > > > > have disabilities so that Web designers can ensure that > > > their pages are > > > > accessible and usable. > > > > > > > > It is available for evaluation from > > > > http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/adesigner > > > > > > > > Besides the IBM alphaWorks forum discussions, Jim Thatcher > > > has posted the > > > > only other opinion about it that I know of. > > > > http://www.jimthatcher.com/news.htm > > > > > > > > btw, although Jim says: "It's free", please read the > > > alphaWorks license > > > > which let's you evaluate it, not deploy it into production. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Phill Jenkins > > > > IBM Worldwide Accessibility Center > > > > http://www.ibm.com/able > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ CONFIGURE YOUR E-MAIL TO SEND TEXT ONLY, see http://expita.com/nomime.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve Neither liberty nor safety", Benjamin Franklin - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ASCII Ribbon Campaign accessBob NO HTML/PDF/RTF in e-mail accessys@smartnospam.net NO MSWord docs in e-mail Access Systems, engineers NO attachments in e-mail, *LINUX powered* access is a civil right *#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*#*# THIS message and any attachments are CONFIDENTIAL and may be privileged. 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