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Re: WA - background-image in CSS

From: Access Systems <accessys@smart.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 23:45:13 -0500 (EST)
To: "Charles F. Munat" <chas@munat.com>
cc: w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0201182334590.31448-100000@smarty.smart.net>
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Charles F. Munat wrote:

> Access Systems wrote:
> > good question?? now we need some good answers.  back to my sign language
> > interpeter illustration.. in the middle of a session a fire engine goes by
> > outside, everyone turns, shouldn't the hearing impaired person know the
> > reason for the sudden lack of attention??  or if a baby is crying and
> > people are getting distracted and finally getting up and leaving, does the
> > hearing impaired person get the impresion that they are the only ones'
> > getting this or finding it interesting, they might if they did not know
> > the baby was crying in the background.
> >   in neither case would the speaker consider either of these "Sounds" as
> > adding anything to the speech.
> Ah, this is exactly my point. If I were deaf and attending this lecture, 
> I would certainly want to know about the fire engine and the crying 
> baby. I think that the interpreter should be thinking about the 
> experience as a whole.
> The problem with this is that those who can hear the speaker are getting 
> information through several senses simultaneously and these senses may 
> coordinate with each other. So the combination of a sound and a gesture 
> might mean something more than simply the sum of the two.

well one of the things you can do in sign language is say two things at
the same time, don't know of any other language that is possible

> But for the interpreter, it may be very difficult to convey this same 
> information with the limited means available. And, of course, any 
> interpretation means that half of the audience is getting the 
> information second hand.
a good interperter of any language has a responsibility to not "edit" what
their interperting, yes there is the "Choice" of words so to speak but the
color of the words and ideas should not be changed.  hardest part has to
be when the interperter (of any kind) disagrees with that which is being
interperted, and how to seperate the good ones from the merely adequate
ones is how adequately they interpert the meaning of the information

this, must be the same in tagging of web sites,  one of the advantages and
at the same time a disadvantage is that the authore gets to do the

> This is certainly true for captions on 
> television. My mother uses them sometimes, and I've often been surprised 
> by how much information is missed.

real time captioning is very difficult,  movies and things can be done
better as there is more time to think about the phrasing
and the real time captioning is being done by court reporters mostly using
phonetic stenography, makes for some real interesting mistakes.


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