- From: Ben Canning <bencan@microsoft.com>
- Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 09:58:36 -0800
- To: "'Tina Marie Holmboe'" <tina@elfi.elfi.org>, "'jim@jimthatcher.com'" <jim@jimthatcher.com>, "'David Woolley'" <david@djwhome.demon.co.uk>, "'w3c-wai-ig@w3.org'" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
Excellent! This is exactly what I wanted to see.
The blockquote example, like a number of others I can think of, is legacy
from the days before CSS. Back in NS3 and IE3, if you did your indenting via
CSS, the indents wouldn't appear. <blockquote> was a better answer for
supporting the older browsers (actually they were the newer browsers at the
time, but whatever). Note that you _can_ do the right thing. Go into
Paragraph properties and set the indent there and we'll use CSS. Kinda lame
that the indent button doesn't do the same, I agree.
Not sure I understand the complaint about 's. If a paragraph has no
content, the browser doesn't draw it. So if the user hits enter 3 times, we
need to at least put in or the paragraph will just disappear at
browse time. You could make the argument that an author shouldn't use empty
<p>'s as spacer's, but that's not something that FP can enforce. Do empty
paragraphs cause problems for screen readers?
Keep it coming, this is very interesting...
-----Original Message-----
From: Tina Marie Holmboe [mailto:tina@elfi.elfi.org]
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2001 8:08 AM
To: jim@jimthatcher.com; David Woolley; w3c-wai-ig@w3.org
Subject: Re: Fw: Disturbing trend in tables
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 06:57:22PM -0600, Jim Thatcher wrote:
> The request was for "specific" examples. I would like to see those too.
I've actually manage to get my boss to give me a FP 2000 to play with,
so lets see what we can find.
* Test #1. Write a little bit of text, and click the 'increase indent'
button twice.
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>This is a test</p>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
Folks, BLOCKQUOTE still does not produce 'indentation', even if some
notious UAs do. It *might* - in a smart screen-reader - produce
something
aking to " bla, bla, bla, and I quote <insert content of blockquote> ";
which would be *ehem* so cool. No, it isn't incorrect HTML, but it sure
isn't a good practice.
* Test #2. Lets press CR a few times.
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
Ehm. Well. Um. Why ?
... and it sets the default charset of new documents to windows-1252. Why
not iso-8859-1 or unicode ?
Ok, so far I've not found any *HTML errors*, but some of these things may
just present accessibility difficulties IMHO.
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- Tina
Received on Saturday, 13 January 2001 04:11:29 UTC