Re: does anyone currently fail colour contrast for text in timed media

I also can't see how we can pass a11y features with poor colour contrast 
- so +1 to making this a fail.

Thanks

Josh

> Detlev Fischer <mailto:detlev.fischer@testkreis.de>
> 8 February 2017 at 08:51
> I can't see why poor contrast of captions should not fail SC 1.4.3. 
> Why just advisory? Captions are clearly a form of text, and 
> screenshots can provide clear evidence of failure.
> In audits I frequently see white caption text on transparent grey 
> background which means contrast is FAR below 4.5:1 whenever the video 
> background happens to be bright.
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> Jonathan Avila <mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
> 7 February 2017 at 17:14
>
> David, I have not failed videos with insufficient contrast.  However, 
> that situation and open captions with poor contrast are something I 
> would point out as advisory or best practice.
>
> Jonathan
>
> *From:*David MacDonald [mailto:david100@sympatico.ca]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 6:50 AM
> *To:* Glenda Sims; Gregg C Vanderheiden; Jonathan Avila
> *Cc:* Aparna Pasi; WCAG
> *Subject:* Re: does anyone currently fail colour contrast for text in 
> timed media
>
> Thanks Glenda
>
> Hey Gregg, I'll loop you in.
>
> Yes, I agree audio description (or transcript) should reflect 
> important visual information including text, but I'm thinking about 
> 1.4.3 Colour contrast of text in movies ... In this case it's yellow 
> text on the whiteboard in an animated movie.
>
> Here's my take.
>
> 1.4.3 applies to "images of text" which have been "rendered in a 
> non-text form *in order to achieve a particular effect* ..."
>
> So the glossary is assigning an intention to the creation of the text. 
> The author put it in an image because she wanted it in a special font, 
> or a special position in relation to a background which might have 
> been hard to do with CSS etc... This is not the case for a movie. 
> Authors rarely make movies with the intention of achieving a 
> particular text effect.
>
> I haven't been watching movies looking for colour contrast failures of 
> significant text. I was wondering if any others (Glenda, Jon, John, 
> Gregg, etc.) would agree.
>
>
> Cheers,
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> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Glenda Sims <glenda.sims@deque.com 
> <mailto:glenda.sims@deque.com>> wrote:
>
> Hey David,
>
> Looking at the glossary term for "image of text" leads me to believe 
> that I'd need to watch the video to know for sure.  If the text on the 
> blackboard is significant and there is not audio reference to 
> it....then, I think I would fail it under 1.2.5 Audio Description 
> (Prerecorded)
>
> Cheers,
>
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> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Aparna Pasi <aparna.pasi@deque.com 
> <mailto:aparna.pasi@deque.com>> wrote:
>
> Hey David,
>
> To be honest, I haven't failed video animation or captions as I 
> haven't seen such a scenario.
>
> I believe we should fail them as they are conveying information 
> however, success criteria doesn't include anything about timed media.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aparna
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 4:30 AM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca 
> <mailto:david100@sympatico.ca>> wrote:
>
> For instance a video an animation of someone in front of a blackboard 
> with text on it.
>
> The definition appears to limit the SC to static images...
>
> Thoughts?
>
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> David MacDonald <mailto:david100@sympatico.ca>
> 7 February 2017 at 11:50
> Thanks Glenda
>
> Hey Gregg, I'll loop you in.
>
> Yes, I agree audio description (or transcript) should reflect 
> important visual information including text, but I'm thinking about 
> 1.4.3 Colour contrast of text in movies ... In this case it's yellow 
> text on the whiteboard in an animated movie.
>
> Here's my take.
>
> 1.4.3 applies to "images of text" which have been "rendered in a 
> non-text form *in order to achieve a particular effect* ..."
>
> So the glossary is assigning an intention to the creation of the text. 
> The author put it in an image because she wanted it in a special font, 
> or a special position in relation to a background which might have 
> been hard to do with CSS etc... This is not the case for a movie. 
> Authors rarely make movies with the intention of achieving a 
> particular text effect.
>
> I haven't been watching movies looking for colour contrast failures of 
> significant text. I was wondering if any others (Glenda, Jon, John, 
> Gregg, etc.) would agree.
>
> Cheers,
> David MacDonald
>
> *Can**Adapt**Solutions Inc.*
>
> Tel:  613.235.4902
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> Glenda Sims <mailto:glenda.sims@deque.com>
> 7 February 2017 at 04:50
> Hey David,
>
> Looking at the glossary term for "image of text" leads me to believe 
> that I'd need to watch the video to know for sure.  If the text on the 
> blackboard is significant and there is not audio reference to 
> it....then, I think I would fail it under 1.2.5 Audio Description 
> (Prerecorded)
> Cheers,
> G
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> Aparna Pasi <mailto:aparna.pasi@deque.com>
> 7 February 2017 at 04:24
> Hey David,
> To be honest, I haven't failed video animation or captions as I 
> haven't seen such a scenario.
> I believe we should fail them as they are conveying information 
> however, success criteria doesn't include anything about timed media.
> Thanks,
> Aparna
>
>
>
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