Re: does anyone currently fail colour contrast for text in timed media

I agree the definition of images of text is ambiguous enough that it could
be interpreted to apply to dynamic media.

We should probably rule on, it and clean up the definition.

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On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 7:09 AM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
wrote:

> Reasons that I haven't been watching videos to fail text contrast under
> 1.4.3 is because:
>
> 1) It would be a significant requirement, but it text in animations and
> movies is not mentioned in the understanding, which limits itself to
> "pixels" and static images.
> 2) The video was not likely rendered in non-text form for the purpose of
> achieving a particular effect on the text. It was probably made for a
> different reason.
> 3) I don't remember any discussion of text contrast in videos during the
> creation of WCAG 1.4.3.
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
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> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 6:50 AM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Glenda
>>
>> Hey Gregg, I'll loop you in.
>>
>> Yes, I agree audio description (or transcript) should reflect important
>> visual information including text, but I'm thinking about 1.4.3 Colour
>> contrast of text in movies ... In this case it's yellow text on the
>> whiteboard in an animated movie.
>>
>> Here's my take.
>>
>> 1.4.3 applies to "images of text" which have been "rendered in a non-text
>> form *in order to achieve a particular effect* ..."
>>
>> So the glossary is assigning an intention to the creation of the text.
>> The author put it in an image because she wanted it in a special font, or a
>> special position in relation to a background which might have been hard to
>> do with CSS etc... This is not the case for a movie. Authors rarely make
>> movies with the intention of achieving a particular text effect.
>>
>> I haven't been watching movies looking for colour contrast failures of
>> significant text. I was wondering if any others (Glenda, Jon, John, Gregg,
>> etc.) would agree.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David MacDonald
>>
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>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 11:50 PM, Glenda Sims <glenda.sims@deque.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey David,
>>>
>>> Looking at the glossary term for "image of text" leads me to believe
>>> that I'd need to watch the video to know for sure.  If the text on the
>>> blackboard is significant and there is not audio reference to it....then, I
>>> think I would fail it under 1.2.5 Audio Description (Prerecorded)
>>>
>>> *image of text*
>>>
>>> text that has been rendered in a non-text form (e.g., an image) in order
>>> to achieve a particular visual effect
>>>
>>> *Note: *This does not include text
>>> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-WCAG20-20081211/#textdef> that is part
>>> of a picture that contains significant other visual content.
>>>
>>> *Example: *A person's name on a nametag in a photograph.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> G
>>>
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>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Aparna Pasi <aparna.pasi@deque.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey David,
>>>> To be honest, I haven't failed video animation or captions as I haven't
>>>> seen such a scenario.
>>>> I believe we should fail them as they are conveying information
>>>> however, success criteria doesn't include anything about timed media.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Aparna
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 4:30 AM, David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For instance a video an animation of someone in front of a blackboard
>>>>> with text on it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The definition appears to limit the SC to static images...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> David MacDonald
>>>>>
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