- From: Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu>
- Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 12:56:07 +0200
- To: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
- Cc: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>, "w3c-waI-gl@w3. org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-Id: <B6F2CCD0-F4A9-4B16-964F-44653A78EF02@umd.edu>
if the java app does not pull content from the web using http: — then I would agree that it is not covered. If the java app (or any app) DOES draw content from the web using http:// — then it would be a user agent. It would be covered by user agent guidelines — and its content (that it pulls using http://) would be web content. Gregg C Vanderheiden greggvan@umd.edu > On Apr 28, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com> wrote: > > I generally agree, and wonder if it matters for that example? > > Any organisation providing PDFs by FTP will also want to provide them over the web (HTTP), therefore you would want/need the same PDFs to meet WCAG. In that case the definition doesn’t impact the organisation. > > I’m still not convinced that Java web start should be covered though, and going back to the web-page definition I’d argue there is no user-agent. The definition implies the user-agent already exists to do the rendering, which doesn’t appear to be the case for downloading a Java app. The user has Java, and downloads an app. > > It would be like saying C (the programming language) is the user agent, and you download a browser for each site. > > Cheers, > > -Alastair > > > From: Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>> > Date: Friday, 28 April 2017 at 11:36 > To: Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com <mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>> > Cc: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>> > Subject: Re: Is Java Web Start covered by WCAG? > Resent-From: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org <mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>> > Resent-Date: Friday, 28 April 2017 at 11:37 > > I would agree. FTP not covered. > > WCAG conformance is based on the web page which is defined as > > Web page > a non-embedded resource obtained from a single URI using HTTP plus any other resources that are used in the rendering or intended to be rendered together with it by a user agent <https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#useragentdef> > > > Unless someone figured out how to do FTP using http — I do not see how they say FTP is covered by WCAG. > > > now WCAG is a ruler and you can use it for many things. The Access Board is using it for docs and software — but that is just someone using it that way. It does not make the standard cover those (and indeed it doesn’t COVER them — other provisions are needed as well. ) > > But as to whether the WCAG 2.0 Working GROpu intended WCAG 2.0 to cover FTP — the answer is “Not to my knowledge — and I was co-chair of the WG > > > best > > > G > > > Gregg C Vanderheiden > greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu> > > > >> On Apr 28, 2017, at 3:03 AM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com <mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>> wrote: >> >> Ø that PDF delivered via FTP is in scope... >> >> This is something the group doesn’t seem to agree on. I’d like to get consensus on this as well. I was told by members of the working group who were involved during WCAG 2.0’s creation that it was not covered. >> >> Jonathan >> >> From: John Foliot [mailto:john.foliot@deque.com <mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>] >> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 4:46 PM >> To: Laura Carlson >> Cc: James Nurthen; Gregg C Vanderheiden; Jonathan Avila; w3c-waI-gl@w3. org; public-low-vision-a11y-tf >> Subject: Re: Is Java Web Start covered by WCAG? >> >> Clarification / correction / addition: >> >>> ...If Web Start is used to transport and then launch a User Interface-based application or content, I'd argue that yes, it is in scope in the same way that PDF delivered via FTP is in scope... >> >> JF >> >> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com <mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>> wrote: >> Hi Gregg, >> >> Did you mean WCAG's Web page definition? >> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#webpagedef <https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#webpagedef> >> >> Or something else? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Kindest Regards, >> Laura >> >> On 4/26/17, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com <mailto:james.nurthen@oracle.com>> wrote: >> > Can someone point to that definition because I can't find it. >> > >> >> On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:32, Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>> wrote: >> >> >> >> the definition of Web Content is in the definition section of WCAG. >> >> >> >> if something meets that definition - it would be Web Content as per >> >> WCAG. >> >> >> >> g >> >> >> >> >> >> Gregg C Vanderheiden >> >> greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com <mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> If when it is run it uses HTTP to get its content then it is web >> >>>> content. What is download it is simply a special user agent. >> >>> >> >>> A lot of things can be sent via HTTP. Remote Desktop can be run over >> >>> HTTP -- through a special user agent. This definition might include a >> >>> lot of things we haven't considered. PhoneGap wraps web content that >> >>> uses HTTP. So does that make PhoneGap a user agent? >> >>> >> >>> Jonathan >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Gregg Vanderheiden RTF [mailto:gregg@raisingthefloor.org <mailto:gregg@raisingthefloor.org>] >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:48 PM >> >>> To: Laura Carlson >> >>> Cc: w3c-waI-gl@w3. org; public-low-vision-a11y-tf; James Nurthen >> >>> Subject: Re: Is Java Web Start covered by WCAG? >> >>> >> >>> Can't quite tell from your description. If it is downloaded and installed >> >>> and then run it is not the web application. >> >>> >> >>> If when it is run it uses HTTP to get its content then it is web content. >> >>> What is download it is simply a special user agent. >> >>> >> >>>> From your description it isn't quite clear which of the two cases it is >> >>> >> >>> Gregg >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:45 PM, Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com <mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Hello Everyone, >> >>>> >> >>>> James asked on Oracle's Adapting Text comment [1] if Java Web Start >> >>>> [2] [3] is covered by WCAG. He said, "The application is started from >> >>>> a URL and the application is downloaded, installed updated and run >> >>>> directly when clicking on a URL in a web page." >> >>>> >> >>>> Thoughts? >> >>>> >> >>>> Thank you. >> >>>> >> >>>> Kindest Regards, >> >>>> Laura >> >>>> >> >>>> [1] >> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_222-23issuecomment-2D297476165&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=qCcV_q2_pBoCNU0qmktn3O6iqXJUvRJvTOx3FVtJRZU&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_222-23issuecomment-2D297476165&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=qCcV_q2_pBoCNU0qmktn3O6iqXJUvRJvTOx3FVtJRZU&e=> >> >>>> >> >>>> [2] >> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Java-5FWeb-5FStart&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=ucxbJAZcLaQyGWHQAB4dxyvx_9w3C2uajdYaFXtvIWw&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Java-5FWeb-5FStart&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=ucxbJAZcLaQyGWHQAB4dxyvx_9w3C2uajdYaFXtvIWw&e=> >> >>>> >> >>>> [3] >> >>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.java.com_en_download_faq_java-5Fwebstart.xml&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=cPjasa_fhYvGiueGWfxz6G5pSOhMMmEgajnrJA6lFr8&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.java.com_en_download_faq_java-5Fwebstart.xml&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=cPjasa_fhYvGiueGWfxz6G5pSOhMMmEgajnrJA6lFr8&e=> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Laura L. Carlson >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Laura L. Carlson >> >> >> >> >> -- >> John Foliot >> Principal Accessibility Strategist >> Deque Systems Inc. >> john.foliot@deque.com <mailto:john.foliot@deque.com> >> >> Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion > >
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