Re[7]: Thoughts on pull request?

>>Using something like 'Where am I?' as a label for this would suffice.
>>Not as snappy as Site map.. It's acronym/initialism would be 'WAI' ;-)
>Its increasingly looking as if "Where am I?" seems to be the best 
>proposal for what I think is a useful function.
>
>I am working in the COGA TF and having something that tells you where 
>you are and how you got there is likely to be helpful to some of the 
>users we are interested in.

Great stuff Mike - sounds good.

Josh
>
>Best regards
>
>Mike
>
>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Josh
>>
>>>Best regards,
>>>
>>>Mike Pluke
>>>Castle Consulting Ltd.
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: josh@interaccess.ie [mailto:josh@interaccess.ie]
>>>Sent: 12 January 2016 10:38
>>>To: Sarah Horton <shorton@paciellogroup.com>; Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>><akirkpat@adobe.com>
>>>Cc: Srinivasu Chakravarthula <srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com>;
>>>Paul J. Adam <paul.adam@deque.com>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>>>Subject: Re[2]: Thoughts on pull request?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I did a usability study of a site that used the value “breadcrumb” 
>>>>to
>>>>label a nav element and screen reader users didn’t recognize it as 
>>>>an
>>>>interface element. [...] no one used it.
>>>
>>>Very interesting Sarah. We get lost in our own jargon. IMO, these
>>>things are 'mini maps'. You could even say they actually are 'Site
>>>maps' in the truest sense, as they give you your location in context.
>>>
>>>The convention is for a Site map to be in a dedicated link, writ 
>>>large
>>>with 'Site Map' - I wonder how useful that is these days.
>>>
>>>As a thought experiment, if we image the term 'Site map' used for
>>>these regions, with some annotated label added to the 'active' page
>>>saying 'You are here' that would need no explanation at all.
>>>
>>>I'd like to see the term 'Site map' used here - should we reclaim it?
>>>It makes sense, as maps are things that are used within context. If
>>>I'm up a mountain I don't want to have to go home, to get the map to
>>>find out where I am. So why do we ask users to effectively do this
>>>online?
>>>
>>>So the question is, should we try to change this convention or create
>>>a new UI name?
>>>
>>>Interesting thread :-)
>>>
>>>Josh
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The visible “You are here” is a great label, and I agree with Paul
>>>>that the best approach would be to use the visible label to provide 
>>>>a
>>>>programmatic label for the element.
>>>>
>>>>Best,
>>>>Sarah
>>>>
>>>>Sarah Horton
>>>>UX Strategy Lead
>>>>The Paciello Group
>>>>603 252-6052 mobile
>>>>
>>>>>    On Jan 11, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>>>><akirkpat@adobe.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>    It looks like the label was added in response to the suggestion
>>>>>that there might be more than one navigation on a page and the 
>>>>>label
>>>>>would help differentiate them for the user:
>>>>>https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2015JulSep/0194.html
>>>>>
>>>>>    I’m happy to remove it as I wouldn’t fail a page for not having
>>>>>the aria-label, and I’m happy keeping it as I also wouldn’t fail a
>>>>>page for using “breadcrumbs” or “location”.
>>>>>
>>>>>    Thanks,
>>>>>    AWK
>>>>>
>>>>>    Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>>>>    Group Product Manager, Accessibility  Adobe
>>>>>
>>>>>    akirkpat@adobe.com
>>>>>    http://twitter.com/awkawk
>>>>>    http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility
>>>>>
>>>>>    From: Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>>>><srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com>
>>>>>    Date: Monday, January 11, 2016 at 10:57
>>>>>    To: "paul.adam@deque.com" <paul.adam@deque.com>
>>>>>    Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, WCAG
>>>>>   <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>>>>>    Subject: Re: Thoughts on pull request?
>>>>>
>>>>>    Yes, if at all needed, using aria-labelledby would be a good 
>>>>>idea.
>>>>>    Thanks,
>>>>>    Srini
>>>>>
>>>>>    Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>    Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>>>>    Sr. Accessibility Consultant, Deque
>>>>>    Hand phone: +91 709 380 3855
>>>>>
>>>>>    Deque University | Follow me on Twitter | Connect on LinkedIn |
>>>>>About Me
>>>>>
>>>>>    Technology is a gift to everyone; let's create inclusive digital
>>>>>experience
>>>>>
>>>>>    On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Paul J. Adam
>>>>><paul.adam@deque.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>    How about “Current Page” ? :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    I do agree there’s no need for an aria-label or a better idea
>>>>>>would be to use aria-labelledby and point to the ID of the “you 
>>>>>>are
>>>>>>here”
>>>>>>string.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Paul J. Adam
>>>>>>    Accessibility Evangelist
>>>>>>    www.deque.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    On Jan 11, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>>>>>><srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Hello Andrew et al,
>>>>>>>    I am not sure if there is a real need for a label here when
>>>>>>>there is already info stating "You are here" which is more
>>>>>>>meaningful than "breadcrumb" or "location".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    I agree with Josh that location in general means to a
>>>>>>>geographical location and that's what users would assume 
>>>>>>>specially
>>>>>>>there is a lot of location use in apps today. So even "Current
>>>>>>>location" as suggested by my friend Paul would also be confusing.
>>>>>>>Sorry Paul...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Thanks,
>>>>>>>    Srini
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>>>>>>    Sr. Accessibility Consultant, Deque  Hand phone: +91 709 380
>>>>>>>3855
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Deque University | Follow me on Twitter | Connect on LinkedIn 
>>>>>>>|
>>>>>>>About Me
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Technology is a gift to everyone; let's create inclusive
>>>>>>>digital experience
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Paul J. Adam
>>>>>>><paul.adam@deque.com>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>    I would say something like “Current Location”.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    I don’t think that “Breadcrumbs” is a plain language term 
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>non-developer folks know what it means in terms of a web site.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    Paul J. Adam
>>>>>>>>    Accessibility Evangelist
>>>>>>>>    www.deque.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    On Jan 11, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>>>><akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    I think that this may we be editorial, but what do people
>>>>>>>>>think – is “location” better than “breadcrumbs” in this 
>>>>>>>>>example?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/142/files?diff=split
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>    AWK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>>>>    Group Product Manager, Accessibility  Adobe
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    akirkpat@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>    http://twitter.com/awkawk
>>>>>>>>>    http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Received on Tuesday, 12 January 2016 12:13:31 UTC