- From: <josh@interaccess.ie>
- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:14:05 +0000
- To: "Michael Pluke" <Mike.Pluke@castle-consult.com>, "Sarah Horton" <shorton@paciellogroup.com>, "Andrew Kirkpatrick" <akirkpat@adobe.com>
- Cc: "Srinivasu Chakravarthula" <srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com>, "Paul J. Adam" <paul.adam@deque.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>>Using something like 'Where am I?' as a label for this would suffice. >>Not as snappy as Site map.. It's acronym/initialism would be 'WAI' ;-) >Its increasingly looking as if "Where am I?" seems to be the best >proposal for what I think is a useful function. > >I am working in the COGA TF and having something that tells you where >you are and how you got there is likely to be helpful to some of the >users we are interested in. Great stuff Mike - sounds good. Josh > >Best regards > >Mike > > >> >>Thanks >> >>Josh >> >>>Best regards, >>> >>>Mike Pluke >>>Castle Consulting Ltd. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: josh@interaccess.ie [mailto:josh@interaccess.ie] >>>Sent: 12 January 2016 10:38 >>>To: Sarah Horton <shorton@paciellogroup.com>; Andrew Kirkpatrick >>><akirkpat@adobe.com> >>>Cc: Srinivasu Chakravarthula <srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com>; >>>Paul J. Adam <paul.adam@deque.com>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >>>Subject: Re[2]: Thoughts on pull request? >>> >>> >>> >>>>I did a usability study of a site that used the value “breadcrumb” >>>>to >>>>label a nav element and screen reader users didn’t recognize it as >>>>an >>>>interface element. [...] no one used it. >>> >>>Very interesting Sarah. We get lost in our own jargon. IMO, these >>>things are 'mini maps'. You could even say they actually are 'Site >>>maps' in the truest sense, as they give you your location in context. >>> >>>The convention is for a Site map to be in a dedicated link, writ >>>large >>>with 'Site Map' - I wonder how useful that is these days. >>> >>>As a thought experiment, if we image the term 'Site map' used for >>>these regions, with some annotated label added to the 'active' page >>>saying 'You are here' that would need no explanation at all. >>> >>>I'd like to see the term 'Site map' used here - should we reclaim it? >>>It makes sense, as maps are things that are used within context. If >>>I'm up a mountain I don't want to have to go home, to get the map to >>>find out where I am. So why do we ask users to effectively do this >>>online? >>> >>>So the question is, should we try to change this convention or create >>>a new UI name? >>> >>>Interesting thread :-) >>> >>>Josh >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>The visible “You are here” is a great label, and I agree with Paul >>>>that the best approach would be to use the visible label to provide >>>>a >>>>programmatic label for the element. >>>> >>>>Best, >>>>Sarah >>>> >>>>Sarah Horton >>>>UX Strategy Lead >>>>The Paciello Group >>>>603 252-6052 mobile >>>> >>>>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick >>>>><akirkpat@adobe.com> >>>>>wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It looks like the label was added in response to the suggestion >>>>>that there might be more than one navigation on a page and the >>>>>label >>>>>would help differentiate them for the user: >>>>>https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2015JulSep/0194.html >>>>> >>>>> I’m happy to remove it as I wouldn’t fail a page for not having >>>>>the aria-label, and I’m happy keeping it as I also wouldn’t fail a >>>>>page for using “breadcrumbs” or “location”. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> AWK >>>>> >>>>> Andrew Kirkpatrick >>>>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility Adobe >>>>> >>>>> akirkpat@adobe.com >>>>> http://twitter.com/awkawk >>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility >>>>> >>>>> From: Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>>><srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com> >>>>> Date: Monday, January 11, 2016 at 10:57 >>>>> To: "paul.adam@deque.com" <paul.adam@deque.com> >>>>> Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, WCAG >>>>> <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on pull request? >>>>> >>>>> Yes, if at all needed, using aria-labelledby would be a good >>>>>idea. >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Srini >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>>> Sr. Accessibility Consultant, Deque >>>>> Hand phone: +91 709 380 3855 >>>>> >>>>> Deque University | Follow me on Twitter | Connect on LinkedIn | >>>>>About Me >>>>> >>>>> Technology is a gift to everyone; let's create inclusive digital >>>>>experience >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Paul J. Adam >>>>><paul.adam@deque.com> >>>>>wrote: >>>>>> How about “Current Page” ? :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I do agree there’s no need for an aria-label or a better idea >>>>>>would be to use aria-labelledby and point to the ID of the “you >>>>>>are >>>>>>here” >>>>>>string. >>>>>> >>>>>> Paul J. Adam >>>>>> Accessibility Evangelist >>>>>> www.deque.com >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>>>>><srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Andrew et al, >>>>>>> I am not sure if there is a real need for a label here when >>>>>>>there is already info stating "You are here" which is more >>>>>>>meaningful than "breadcrumb" or "location". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree with Josh that location in general means to a >>>>>>>geographical location and that's what users would assume >>>>>>>specially >>>>>>>there is a lot of location use in apps today. So even "Current >>>>>>>location" as suggested by my friend Paul would also be confusing. >>>>>>>Sorry Paul... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Srini >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>>>>> Sr. Accessibility Consultant, Deque Hand phone: +91 709 380 >>>>>>>3855 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Deque University | Follow me on Twitter | Connect on LinkedIn >>>>>>>| >>>>>>>About Me >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Technology is a gift to everyone; let's create inclusive >>>>>>>digital experience >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Paul J. Adam >>>>>>><paul.adam@deque.com> >>>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>>> I would say something like “Current Location”. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I don’t think that “Breadcrumbs” is a plain language term >>>>>>>>that >>>>>>>>non-developer folks know what it means in terms of a web site. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Paul J. Adam >>>>>>>> Accessibility Evangelist >>>>>>>> www.deque.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick >>>>>>>>><akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think that this may we be editorial, but what do people >>>>>>>>>think – is “location” better than “breadcrumbs” in this >>>>>>>>>example? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/142/files?diff=split >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> AWK >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Andrew Kirkpatrick >>>>>>>>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility Adobe >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> akirkpat@adobe.com >>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/awkawk >>>>>>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >
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