- From: Michael Pluke <Mike.Pluke@castle-consult.com>
- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 12:08:21 +0000
- To: "josh@interaccess.ie" <josh@interaccess.ie>, Sarah Horton <shorton@paciellogroup.com>, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
- CC: Srinivasu Chakravarthula <srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com>, "Paul J. Adam" <paul.adam@deque.com>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>Using something like 'Where am I?' as a label for this would suffice. >Not as snappy as Site map.. It's acronym/initialism would be 'WAI' ;-) Its increasingly looking as if "Where am I?" seems to be the best proposal for what I think is a useful function. I am working in the COGA TF and having something that tells you where you are and how you got there is likely to be helpful to some of the users we are interested in. Best regards Mike > >Thanks > >Josh > >>Best regards, >> >>Mike Pluke >>Castle Consulting Ltd. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: josh@interaccess.ie [mailto:josh@interaccess.ie] >>Sent: 12 January 2016 10:38 >>To: Sarah Horton <shorton@paciellogroup.com>; Andrew Kirkpatrick >><akirkpat@adobe.com> >>Cc: Srinivasu Chakravarthula <srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com>; >>Paul J. Adam <paul.adam@deque.com>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >>Subject: Re[2]: Thoughts on pull request? >> >> >> >>>I did a usability study of a site that used the value “breadcrumb” to >>>label a nav element and screen reader users didn’t recognize it as an >>>interface element. [...] no one used it. >> >>Very interesting Sarah. We get lost in our own jargon. IMO, these >>things are 'mini maps'. You could even say they actually are 'Site >>maps' in the truest sense, as they give you your location in context. >> >>The convention is for a Site map to be in a dedicated link, writ large >>with 'Site Map' - I wonder how useful that is these days. >> >>As a thought experiment, if we image the term 'Site map' used for >>these regions, with some annotated label added to the 'active' page >>saying 'You are here' that would need no explanation at all. >> >>I'd like to see the term 'Site map' used here - should we reclaim it? >>It makes sense, as maps are things that are used within context. If >>I'm up a mountain I don't want to have to go home, to get the map to >>find out where I am. So why do we ask users to effectively do this >>online? >> >>So the question is, should we try to change this convention or create >>a new UI name? >> >>Interesting thread :-) >> >>Josh >> >>> >>> >>>The visible “You are here” is a great label, and I agree with Paul >>>that the best approach would be to use the visible label to provide a >>>programmatic label for the element. >>> >>>Best, >>>Sarah >>> >>>Sarah Horton >>>UX Strategy Lead >>>The Paciello Group >>>603 252-6052 mobile >>> >>>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick >>>><akirkpat@adobe.com> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>> It looks like the label was added in response to the suggestion >>>>that there might be more than one navigation on a page and the label >>>>would help differentiate them for the user: >>>>https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2015JulSep/0194.html >>>> >>>> I’m happy to remove it as I wouldn’t fail a page for not having >>>>the aria-label, and I’m happy keeping it as I also wouldn’t fail a >>>>page for using “breadcrumbs” or “location”. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> AWK >>>> >>>> Andrew Kirkpatrick >>>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility Adobe >>>> >>>> akirkpat@adobe.com >>>> http://twitter.com/awkawk >>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility >>>> >>>> From: Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>><srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com> >>>> Date: Monday, January 11, 2016 at 10:57 >>>> To: "paul.adam@deque.com" <paul.adam@deque.com> >>>> Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, WCAG >>>> <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org> >>>> Subject: Re: Thoughts on pull request? >>>> >>>> Yes, if at all needed, using aria-labelledby would be a good idea. >>>> Thanks, >>>> Srini >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>> Sr. Accessibility Consultant, Deque >>>> Hand phone: +91 709 380 3855 >>>> >>>> Deque University | Follow me on Twitter | Connect on LinkedIn | >>>>About Me >>>> >>>> Technology is a gift to everyone; let's create inclusive digital >>>>experience >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Paul J. Adam >>>><paul.adam@deque.com> >>>>wrote: >>>>> How about “Current Page” ? :) >>>>> >>>>> I do agree there’s no need for an aria-label or a better idea >>>>>would be to use aria-labelledby and point to the ID of the “you are >>>>>here” >>>>>string. >>>>> >>>>> Paul J. Adam >>>>> Accessibility Evangelist >>>>> www.deque.com >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>>>><srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello Andrew et al, >>>>>> I am not sure if there is a real need for a label here when >>>>>>there is already info stating "You are here" which is more >>>>>>meaningful than "breadcrumb" or "location". >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree with Josh that location in general means to a >>>>>>geographical location and that's what users would assume specially >>>>>>there is a lot of location use in apps today. So even "Current >>>>>>location" as suggested by my friend Paul would also be confusing. >>>>>>Sorry Paul... >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Srini >>>>>> >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula >>>>>> Sr. Accessibility Consultant, Deque Hand phone: +91 709 380 >>>>>>3855 >>>>>> >>>>>> Deque University | Follow me on Twitter | Connect on LinkedIn | >>>>>>About Me >>>>>> >>>>>> Technology is a gift to everyone; let's create inclusive >>>>>>digital experience >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Paul J. Adam >>>>>><paul.adam@deque.com> >>>>>>wrote: >>>>>>> I would say something like “Current Location”. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don’t think that “Breadcrumbs” is a plain language term that >>>>>>>non-developer folks know what it means in terms of a web site. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul J. Adam >>>>>>> Accessibility Evangelist >>>>>>> www.deque.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick >>>>>>>><akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that this may we be editorial, but what do people >>>>>>>>think – is “location” better than “breadcrumbs” in this example? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/142/files?diff=split >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> AWK >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrew Kirkpatrick >>>>>>>> Group Product Manager, Accessibility Adobe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> akirkpat@adobe.com >>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/awkawk >>>>>>>> http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
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