Re[5]: Thoughts on pull request?

>I would think of the 'context map' - as a mobile map or even a pocket 
>map. I wonder if that would translate as an ARIA region label for this 
>UI component?#

Using something like 'Where am I?' as a label for this would suffice. 
Not as snappy as Site map.. It's acronym/initialism would be 'WAI' ;-)

Thanks

Josh

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>Thanks
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>Josh
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>>Best regards,
>>
>>Mike Pluke
>>Castle Consulting Ltd.
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: josh@interaccess.ie [mailto:josh@interaccess.ie]
>>Sent: 12 January 2016 10:38
>>To: Sarah Horton <shorton@paciellogroup.com>; Andrew Kirkpatrick 
>><akirkpat@adobe.com>
>>Cc: Srinivasu Chakravarthula <srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com>; 
>>Paul J. Adam <paul.adam@deque.com>; WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>>Subject: Re[2]: Thoughts on pull request?
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>>>I did a usability study of a site that used the value “breadcrumb” to
>>>label a nav element and screen reader users didn’t recognize it as an
>>>interface element. [...] no one used it.
>>
>>Very interesting Sarah. We get lost in our own jargon. IMO, these 
>>things are 'mini maps'. You could even say they actually are 'Site 
>>maps' in the truest sense, as they give you your location in context.
>>
>>The convention is for a Site map to be in a dedicated link, writ large 
>>with 'Site Map' - I wonder how useful that is these days.
>>
>>As a thought experiment, if we image the term 'Site map' used for 
>>these regions, with some annotated label added to the 'active' page 
>>saying 'You are here' that would need no explanation at all.
>>
>>I'd like to see the term 'Site map' used here - should we reclaim it? 
>>It makes sense, as maps are things that are used within context. If 
>>I'm up a mountain I don't want to have to go home, to get the map to 
>>find out where I am. So why do we ask users to effectively do this 
>>online?
>>
>>So the question is, should we try to change this convention or create 
>>a new UI name?
>>
>>Interesting thread :-)
>>
>>Josh
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>The visible “You are here” is a great label, and I agree with Paul 
>>>that
>>>the best approach would be to use the visible label to provide a
>>>programmatic label for the element.
>>>
>>>Best,
>>>Sarah
>>>
>>>Sarah Horton
>>>UX Strategy Lead
>>>The Paciello Group
>>>603 252-6052 mobile
>>>
>>>>   On Jan 11, 2016, at 11:04 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>>><akirkpat@adobe.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   It looks like the label was added in response to the suggestion 
>>>>that
>>>>there might be more than one navigation on a page and the label 
>>>>would
>>>>help differentiate them for the user:
>>>>https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2015JulSep/0194.html
>>>>
>>>>   I’m happy to remove it as I wouldn’t fail a page for not having 
>>>>the
>>>>aria-label, and I’m happy keeping it as I also wouldn’t fail a page
>>>>for using “breadcrumbs” or “location”.
>>>>
>>>>   Thanks,
>>>>   AWK
>>>>
>>>>   Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>>>   Group Product Manager, Accessibility  Adobe
>>>>
>>>>   akirkpat@adobe.com
>>>>   http://twitter.com/awkawk
>>>>   http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility
>>>>
>>>>   From: Srinivasu Chakravarthula 
>>>><srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com>
>>>>   Date: Monday, January 11, 2016 at 10:57
>>>>   To: "paul.adam@deque.com" <paul.adam@deque.com>
>>>>   Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>, WCAG
>>>>  <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
>>>>   Subject: Re: Thoughts on pull request?
>>>>
>>>>   Yes, if at all needed, using aria-labelledby would be a good idea.
>>>>   Thanks,
>>>>   Srini
>>>>
>>>>   Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>   Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>>>   Sr. Accessibility Consultant, Deque
>>>>   Hand phone: +91 709 380 3855
>>>>
>>>>   Deque University | Follow me on Twitter | Connect on LinkedIn |
>>>>About Me
>>>>
>>>>   Technology is a gift to everyone; let's create inclusive digital
>>>>experience
>>>>
>>>>   On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:19 PM, Paul J. Adam 
>>>><paul.adam@deque.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>>   How about “Current Page” ? :)
>>>>>
>>>>>   I do agree there’s no need for an aria-label or a better idea 
>>>>>would
>>>>>be to use aria-labelledby and point to the ID of the “you are here”
>>>>>string.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Paul J. Adam
>>>>>   Accessibility Evangelist
>>>>>   www.deque.com
>>>>>
>>>>>>   On Jan 11, 2016, at 9:39 AM, Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>>>>><srinivasu.chakravarthula@deque.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Hello Andrew et al,
>>>>>>   I am not sure if there is a real need for a label here when 
>>>>>>there
>>>>>>is already info stating "You are here" which is more meaningful 
>>>>>>than
>>>>>>"breadcrumb" or "location".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I agree with Josh that location in general means to a 
>>>>>>geographical
>>>>>>location and that's what users would assume specially there is a 
>>>>>>lot
>>>>>>of location use in apps today. So even "Current location" as
>>>>>>suggested by my friend Paul would also be confusing. Sorry Paul...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Thanks,
>>>>>>   Srini
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Srinivasu Chakravarthula
>>>>>>   Sr. Accessibility Consultant, Deque  Hand phone: +91 709 380 
>>>>>>3855
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Deque University | Follow me on Twitter | Connect on LinkedIn |
>>>>>>About Me
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Technology is a gift to everyone; let's create inclusive digital
>>>>>>experience
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:49 PM, Paul J. Adam
>>>>>><paul.adam@deque.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>   I would say something like “Current Location”.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   I don’t think that “Breadcrumbs” is a plain language term that
>>>>>>>non-developer folks know what it means in terms of a web site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Paul J. Adam
>>>>>>>   Accessibility Evangelist
>>>>>>>   www.deque.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   On Jan 11, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>>><akirkpat@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   I think that this may we be editorial, but what do people 
>>>>>>>>think
>>>>>>>>– is “location” better than “breadcrumbs” in this example?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   https://github.com/w3c/wcag/pull/142/files?diff=split
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Thanks,
>>>>>>>>   AWK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Andrew Kirkpatrick
>>>>>>>>   Group Product Manager, Accessibility  Adobe
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   akirkpat@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>   http://twitter.com/awkawk
>>>>>>>>   http://blogs.adobe.com/accessibility
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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