- From: Gregg Vanderheiden <gv@trace.wisc.edu>
- Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:17:59 -0600
- To: "'Yvette P. Hoitink'" <y.p.hoitink@heritas.nl>, w3c-wai-gl@w3.org
Good comments. Here are some random musings as I wait for a delayed plane NOTE: The following are just some comments from me -- not in any way an official finding of the group. I think we again have to go back to function. As I understand it... If the function of the dotted line you mentioned is to divide two blocks of text -- then it does need an alt text and the alt text should be "divider line" or some such. It should not describe what the line looks like ('e.g. dotted line") but rather its function. If a graphic is on the page to confirm to the viewer that they got to the right page... and the page already has a title -- then it may not have an additional function. But if it is to show how nice a place it is -- then it does have a function - and that function should be provided in text. You do not need to describe every little detail in the picture. (e.g. if it is a picture of the town you don't have to describe the number of buildings, what they look like, the street sign, etc. etc. unless some part of that is critical to the function of the town. E.g. could any other picture of another part of the town have been used instead.) In general I would think the safer thing to do is to provide short alt text of pictures rather than decide that they have no function. It is rarely true. I would ask, why is this picture here. Could I put any other random picture here? If not, why not. Why is it important to use this picture vs a random picture. What is it conveying. Gregg -- ------------------------------ Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D. Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr. Director - Trace R & D Center University of Wisconsin-Madison -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-gl-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Yvette P. Hoitink Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 3:33 PM To: w3c-wai-gl@w3.org Subject: [1.1] Text-equivalents for illustrations? Hello everyone, I posted a link to the working draft on a Dutch webdesign newsgroup. We got to talk about the need for a text equivalent for non-text content. Two extremes are clear: If you illustrate a principle using an image, you have to provide a text equivalent. If you use an image as a spacer image to force the layout, it needs a null equivalent (alt="" in HTML). But what about images that are used as an illustration but could be described in words? The case we discussed was the largest image on http://www.erfgoedoverijssel.nl, a website my company built last year about the local history of a village called Denekamp. The alt-text for the largest image currently says "Photograph of the backside of the Keizer house with the Saint Nicholas church in the background". Both the Keizer house and the Nicholas church are familiar buildings in Denekamp, so both the picture and the alt give a 'Denekamp' feeling to the site for people who are familiar there (which is why these illustrations were chosen). One people in the discussion group said he thought this image should have a null alt, because adding this text didn't help accessibility since the function of the image is purely decorative. I disagree because I do not want to decide for a blind person that he doesn't need or want this information. Also, people who can't see very well and use screenreaders can decide based on the alt if they want to take the trouble to view the image. Giving it a null alt means people without visual browsers do not know what they're missing. One comment was of the group was: blind people have already accepted that they can't see the images, now I need to accept that as well. One person in the newsgroup had a nice litmus test to determine whether you need an alt or a null alt: If the words of the potential text equivalent appear in the text and are illustrated by the image, a null alt suffices. If the content of the image is not discussed in the text you have to wonder what the image is doing there in the first place. The answer to that question decides whether you need an alt or not. If it is just an illustration, a null alt is enough. Bottom line: In WCAG 2 we seem to require text equivalents for practically anything you can put into words. But does that help accessibility? I can describe a dashed line in words but that only annoys people instead of helping them. I think we need to think about illustrations whose function is purely decorative. I don't think they fall in the category "Non-text content that is designed to create a specific sensory experience" so according to the current formulation it would require a text equivalent. But are we sure we're helping people when doing that? Yvette Hoitink Heritas, Enschede, The Netherlands
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