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Re: [1.1] Text-equivalents for illustrations?

From: Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG <rscano@iwa-italy.org>
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:57:53 +0100
Message-ID: <016801c40a0f$68c8e500$0200a8c0@iwars>
To: "Yvette P. Hoitink" <y.p.hoitink@heritas.nl>, <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>

Why don't apply:

<p><img src="imagename.ext" alt=""></p>
<p>Figure 1: Photograph of the backside of the Keizer house with
the Saint Nicholas church in the background</p>

This could be useful for all... also for people like me me that can read
the description text of the decorative image instead to try to read the
ALT attribute.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Yvette P. Hoitink" <y.p.hoitink@heritas.nl>
To: <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 10:32 PM
Subject: [1.1] Text-equivalents for illustrations?

Hello everyone,

I posted a link to the working draft on a Dutch webdesign newsgroup. We
to talk about the need for a text equivalent for non-text content. Two
extremes are clear: If you illustrate a principle using an image, you
to provide a text equivalent. If you use an image as a spacer image to
the layout, it needs a null equivalent (alt="" in HTML). But what about
images that are used as an illustration but could be described in words?

The case we discussed was the largest image on
http://www.erfgoedoverijssel.nl, a website my company built last year
the local history of a village called Denekamp. The alt-text for the
image currently says "Photograph of the backside of the Keizer house
the Saint Nicholas church in the background". Both the Keizer house and
Nicholas church are familiar buildings in Denekamp, so both the picture
the alt give a 'Denekamp' feeling to the site for people who are
there (which is why these illustrations were chosen).

One people in the discussion group said he thought this image should
have a
null alt, because adding this text didn't help accessibility since the
function of the image is purely decorative. I disagree because I do not
to decide for a blind person that he doesn't need or want this
Also, people who can't see very well and use screenreaders can decide
on the alt if they want to take the trouble to view the image. Giving it
null alt means people without visual browsers do not know what they're
missing. One comment was of the group was: blind people have already
accepted that they can't see the images, now I need to accept that as

One person in the newsgroup had a nice litmus test to determine whether
need an alt or a null alt: If the words of the potential text equivalent
appear in the text and are illustrated by the image, a null alt
suffices. If
the content of the image is not discussed in the text you have to wonder
what the image is doing there in the first place. The answer to that
question decides whether you need an alt or not. If it is just an
illustration, a null alt is enough.

Bottom line: In WCAG 2 we seem to require text equivalents for
anything you can put into words. But does that help accessibility? I can
describe a dashed line in words but that only annoys people instead of
helping them. I think we need to think about illustrations whose
function is
purely decorative. I don't think they fall in the category "Non-text
that is designed to create a specific sensory experience" so according
the current formulation it would require a text equivalent. But are we
we're helping people when doing that?

Yvette Hoitink
Heritas, Enschede, The Netherlands
Received on Sunday, 14 March 2004 18:20:05 UTC

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