- From: Jim Allan <allan_jm@tsb1.tsbvi.edu>
- Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:36:44 -0500
- To: Heather Swayne <hswayne@microsoft.com>, WAI-au <w3c-wai-au@w3.org>
I agree with William's articulate message... wl: If the tool makes all the important features an integral part of the regular look/feel, (even though these features may be set to "off" by the user) it can be triple-A conformant - even if it is "shipped" in a default mode that some insensitive sales/marketing department has decided is the "best practice" for their customers. Jim Allan, Statewide Technical Support Specialist Texas School for the Blind and Visually Impaired 1100 W. 45th St., Austin, Texas 78756 voice 512.206.9315 fax: 512.206.9453 http://www.tsbvi.edu/ "Be BOLD and mighty forces will come to your aid." Basil King -----Original Message----- From: w3c-wai-au-request@w3.org [mailto:w3c-wai-au-request@w3.org]On Behalf Of Heather Swayne Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 5:09 PM To: Authoring Tools Guidelines List Cc: 'Gregory J. Rosmaita'; 'love26@gorge.net'; 'charlesmccn@yahoo.com' Subject: Accessibility default settings ... I request a poll or vote to see were the other members of the Authoring Tools Working Group stand on this issue: Does an Authoring Tool comply with guideline 3.1 if the default setting of their accessibility option is set to "no-prompting"? Assuming: 1) Guideline 3.1 requires authoring tools to "prompt" (confront the user with a dialog that would allows them to enter alt+text) at some time between an image being inserted and the document being saved (saving does not guarantee that the author has finished the editing process but it is the first time that a user could potentially interact with the page and would therefore would need to be compliant with Web content guidelines). 2) An authoring tool implements a "configurable" solution (allows authors to choose/set the level of prompting ranging from no-prompting to force me to make corrections as soon as an accessibility related error is detected). Asking the author questions during setup is not a reliable solution since we cannot guarantee that the author (owner of the computer) has explicit control over the setup of the computer (computers come pre-installed with applications, a friend or IT professional could sets up the computer for the author, a company could perform a silently install/upgrade or lock down the installation preferences). I have an outstanding action item to submit a proposed definition for prompting, but if the majority of the Authoring Tools working group feels that the answer to the above question is "yes", then I will agree that authoring tools came comply with guideline 3.1 as currently defined, but will submit a request to include this example within the techniques document. Related comments on this area: -----Original Message----- From: Gregory J. Rosmaita [mailto:unagi69@concentric.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:04 PM as for "out-of-the-box" prompts and alerts, the user could choose/set the level of prompting during the installation routine, provided that -- if the user chooses "No Prompts or Alerts", he or she is presented with a "Readme" type dialog box/application window, before the installation process ends, in which (a) the benefits of checking for accessibility, (b) the means of checking for accessibility available through the tool, and (c) how to turn them on, off, and configure them are explained _in full_ to the user... i would also argue that in order to comply, you would have to provide a warning and a "more information" button when the user who has turned off all accessibility checking issues the "Save" command, as well as a "Fix It Now" mechanism (which i would prefer to "see" on the dialog that pops up when the user who has disabled all of the accessibility checking/prompting/alerting features of the tool off, rather than as part of the "More Information" interface, but that is, i suppose an implementation decision... -----Original Message----- From: Charles McCathieNevile [mailto:charlesmccn@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:33 AM In the discussion about whether or not a tool conforms out of the box, I would follow the precedent set by Wendy Chisholm's evaluation of HotMetal, in which she said that in accessibility mode the tool conforms, and I would regard that as a conforming tool (subject to the provisions of guideline 5). -----Original Message----- From: love26@gorge.net [mailto:love26@gorge.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:59 PM HS:: "Any tools that followed this suggestion would not be single-A compliance "out-of-the-box", unless the accessibility option was set to force prompts." WL: I believe that this misunderstanding is at the root of a problem we are experiencing. The configurability *INCLUDING THE DEFAULT SETTINGS OF THE VARIOUS ACCESSIBILITY FEATURES* does not affect the conformance level of the tool. That is my understanding. If the tool makes all the important features an integral part of the regular look/feel, (even though these features may be set to "off" by the user) it can be triple-A conformant - even if it is "shipped" in a default mode that some insensitive sales/marketing department has decided is the "best practice" for their customers. Even though many will have the opinion that: people don't want "in-your-face" warnings when they're creating Web materials; surveys show that these features aren't important to most purchasers - the market for accessible (for which read "usable") sites and especially tools that are easily able to create such sites is much larger than expected.
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