- From: CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 19:30:52 -0500
- To: coralie@w3.org
- Cc: w3c-translators@w3.org
Coralie M.:
Thanks very much!
Best wishes,
C. E. Whitehead
cewcathar@hotmail.com
>From: "Coralie Mercier" <coralie@w3.org>
>To: "CE Whitehead" <cewcathar@hotmail.com>
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>Subject: Re: COMMENTARY on Tutorials (English this time)
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>I will point your communication to Dave Raggett, the tutorials
>commentaries you mention not being translations of W3C recommendations,
>notes or outreach materials.
>
>Thanks for the clarification.
>
>Best regards,
>Coralie
>
>On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 07:02:01 +0900, CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Hi! Sorry for taking so long to get back.
>>
>>Actually the commentary would probably be inappropriate if Dr. Raggett
>>were in the process of revising either tutorial-- "Advanced HTML" or
>>"Adding a Touch of Style."
>>Because I assume that some of the issues I am thinking of addressing will
>>be addressed in any revision.
>>
>>Things I wanted to include in the commentary include the following:
>>
>>*note on more updated addressing (with id rather than the a tag with the
>>name attribute) now in use (something Dr. Raggett did address as
>>soon-to-come on the web in his tutorial) (the old a name will jiggle if
>>someone defines a.hover in the style codes for links, so the new
>>addressing gives the writer better control of display)
>>* note the use of float rather than simply align for formatting images
>>and other elements on the page (float is important in page formatting in
>>my opinion since it can be used to float a tab menu to the left of the
>>main page contents)
>>* give more details on formatting/sizing tables as a %, in em, and in
>>pixels
>>* give details on the java script event onload, and on other java script
>>events which are used to start the execution of code; since Dr. Raggett
>>had an example of java script using the onload event in his
>>"Advanced.html" tutorial, I wanted to point out that onload could only be
>>placed once in a page, and then mention where there were other events.
>>* give a brief introduction to java script also
>>
>>In the meantime, I have been working on my own commentary on html page
>>creation where I just reference the W3C documents and do not comment on
>>any one in particular; it seems to not require copyright permission and
>>works fine for me for now if Dr. Raggett is currently revising either
>>tutorial:
>>http://www.geocities.com/quaiouestenglish/Creezunhabitatweb/EnglCommentsonHTMLjscript.html
>>
>>It also provides an example of the kind of perhaps detailed commentary I
>>am talking about; I still have not put all the information I want in it.
>>
>>So perhaps that is all that is needed for now, and not a W3C linked
>>commentary on any tutorial.
>>
>>Let me know if/when the W3C thinks on commentary on the two Raggett
>>documents, "Advanced.html" and "Adding a Touch of Style" would be in
>>order.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>--C. E. Whitehead
>>cewcathar@hotmail.com
>>
>>* * *
>>Bonjour!
>>
>>Il sera probable que le commentaire ne sera pas pertinent si Dr. Raggett
>>est en train de reecrire ou "Advanced.html" ou "Adding a Touch of Style".
>>
>>Y inclus dans ce que je pensais a inclure dans le commentaire:
>>* les facons variees d'adresser le but d'un lien qui se trouve dans la
>>page ou se trouve aussi le lien;
>>* l'utilisation de la propriete CSS float (alternative a la
>>propriete/l'attribut CSS align) pour preciser l'affichage d'un image ou
>>de n'importe quel element dans une page web; cette propriete/c'attribut
>>s'utilise actuellement plus et plus pour la configuration d'une page web;
>>par exemple, on peut utiliser float pour "float" un "tab menu" a la
>>gauche du contenu d'une page;
>>* les facons de preciser la taille d'un tableau (comme % ou en em ou en
>>pixel);
>>* l'evenement javascript onload et autres evenements javascript; cet
>>evenement javascript s'utilise dans le petit programme javascript--inclu
>>par Dr. Raggett comme exemplaire dans son didacticiel, "Advanced.html";
>>il me semblait qu'il vaudrait mieux expliquer un peu le javascript dans
>>cet exemplaire, par exemple, l'evenement onload ne peut s'utiliser qu'une
>>seul fois dans une page web;
>>* quelques renseignements de plus sur javascript.
>>
>>
>>Pour l'instant, je suis en train de creer une page dont j'explique un peu
>>l'html et le javascript--avec des references aux documents du w3c, mais
>>sans etre commentaire sur un document particulier du w3c; voici le lien:
>>http://www.geocities.com/quaiouestenglish/Creezunhabitatweb/EnglCommentsonHTMLjscript.html
>>
>>
>>Il se trouve dans ce document-ci le type de commentaire que je pensais a
>>creer!
>>
>>(En plus, je ne crois pas qu'il y a le probleme de droit de
>>copy/copyright qu'il y a avec le commentaire et ainsi que je peux le
>>faire sans vous demander permission.)
>>
>>Peut-etre ca va pour le moment; s'il vous plait, n'hesitez pas a me
>>contacter en cas ou le w3C s'interesse a quelque chose de plus, c'est a
>>dire, a un commentaire sur les documents du Dr. Raggett, "Advanced.html"
>>et "Adding a Touch of Style".
>>
>>En vous remerciant a l'avance,
>>
>>C. E. Whitehead
>>cewcathar@hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>>From: "Coralie Mercier" <coralie@w3.org>
>>>To: "CE Whitehead" <cewcathar@hotmail.com>, w3c-translators@w3.org
>>>CC: www-html-editor-request@w3.org
>>>Subject: Re: COMMENTARY on Tutorials (English this time)
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>>>Hello
>>>
>>>I don't know what a commentary on tutorials is and how relevant that is
>>>to the w3c-translators list. Can you please clarify?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance
>>>
>>>Coralie
>>>
>>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:28:12 +0900, CE Whitehead <cewcathar@hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi, I am thinking of commenting on the following tutorials (in English
>>>>this time):
>>>>
>>>>Dave Raggett, "More Advanced Features" (of HTML),
>>>>http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/Advanced.html
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>Dave Raggett, "Adding a Touch of Style" (to HTML pages),
>>>>http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Guide/Style.html
>>>>
>>>>Please let me know if such commentary would be in order
>>>>(if Dr. Raggett is about to update either page, then I can skip this
>>>>commentary and wait and see if this commentary is in order)?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks.
>>>>
>>>>--C. E. Whitehead
>>>>cewcathar@hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>The main notes I have are:
>>>>
>>>>1. GENERAL:
>>>>XML served as a form of HTML, with XHTML, is now starting to be
>>>>preferred over HTML on the World Wide Web (XML is important in the
>>>>semantic web; it's possible to create one's own semantic categories
>>>>using XML; XML uses tree structures; trees--with roots, branches, and
>>>>branches from the branches (though I myself tend to think of the XML
>>>>structures as parenthetical comments inside of other parenthetical
>>>>comments) are one kind of data structure; tables--or arrays of
>>>>arrays--are another).
>>>>The XHTML has some similarities to HTML, but has its own peculiarities.
>>>> Persons interested in learning HTML might also be interested in
>>>>learning about XML and XHTML! See the W3C Recommendation, XHTML 1.0,
>>>>for information about XHTML.
>>>>
>>>>2. TABLES ("More Advanced Features"); FONT ("Adding a Touch of Style")
>>>>
>>>>The focus of the information/examples about Tables in "More Advanced
>>>>Features"/font size in "Adding a Touch of Style," seems to be in
>>>>general aimed at telling HTML writers how to create Tables that are
>>>>more accessible to all, with the font size relative to the user
>>>>settings, and the cell size flexible to accommodate when words are not
>>>>wrapped.
>>>>
>>>>2.a. Tables of Pre-defined size (versus tables where the width is
>>>>defined as a percentage of window width; or tables where the width is
>>>>undefined) ("More Advanced Features"):
>>>>Some writers however still use Tables to format pages; though style
>>>>codes that define divisions within the page today can similarly format
>>>>a page into rows and columns.
>>>>If one opts to set the size of one's table in pixels, then perhaps one
>>>>should also specify the exact size of the font rather than a relative
>>>>font size, or the table size and column widths might be resized anyway
>>>>(the Mozilla browser, which never wraps longer text strings in a table
>>>>cell, does this; while the Internet Explorer browser can also wrap
>>>>longer text strings, for example, when the text string indicates a
>>>>link).
>>>>It's wise thus to opt for a relatively large font I guess to begin with
>>>> in pre-sized tables, to accommodate all users.
>>>>It's of course possible to control word-wrapping completely in table
>>>>cells by inserting an additional division (a paragraph or other
>>>>division) within the cells, but word-wrapping is not one of the
>>>>possible attributes of table cells so it does not work with style
>>>>definitions of table cells; you have to add the division (for HTML
>>>>versions 4.0, 4.01).
>>>>
>>>>3. The Banner Add java script code in the section on Adding Java
>>>>Script to HTML Pages ("More Advanced Features")
>>>>
>>>>Onload is an action which can be called on only once in a page; the
>>>>"onload" code is normally placed in the Body tag and when placed in the
>>>> Body tag will generally happen about the same time the page loads (I
>>>>do not know that much java script though; oh well; want to comment on
>>>>it anyway).
>>>>
>>>>4. ("Adding a Touch of Style")
>>>>It's generally argued that the style codes (normally placed in the
>>>>headers; ideally place these in the headers, just above the body tag,
>>>>if there are no java script functions; otherwise place these in the
>>>>headers just before any java script functions are defined as java
>>>>script functions sometimes make use of the style definitions; of
>>>>course, some web hosts incorporate one's page into the body of a
>>>>host-created page and then the only place to place the style and java
>>>>script function definitions is under the body tag alas) are the best
>>>>way to specify paragraph and division formats.
>>>>To change the style of a page using style definitions at the page top,
>>>>one just has to redo the style codes at the top and then check the new
>>>>display in a few browsers to make sure the page looks right.
>>>>MS Word of course places the style information in the page division
>>>>tags themselves, in the body, so it's not so easy to edit Word created
>>>>pages using HTML; additionally, style definitions at the top of the
>>>>page are overwritten when edited by MS Word.
>>>>(For someone who did not want to get Front Page or learn much HTML, I
>>>>redid her pages with the style codes in the page division tags so that
>>>>the page would not be automatically changed by Word.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I've got a few other notes as well, but nothing else major.
>>>>
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>>>
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