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Re: English copyright notice to be included in translations

From: Coralie Mercier <coralie@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2006 16:05:44 +0200
To: "Norihisa Washitake" <nori@washitake.com>, "w3c-translators@w3.org" <w3c-translators@w3.org>
Message-ID: <op.tfkb3uymsvvqwp@precious.sophia.w3.org>


Dear all

Since I am receiving separate messages asking for clarifications, let me  
try to summarise the intent of my proposals so far in this thread.

The translators need to prominently disclose a few things, preferably at  
the top of the document, all of which may be expressed in the target  
language:
     	1. the URI and the status of the original document
	2. text indicating that the normative version of the specification is the  
English version found at the W3C site
	3. text indicating that the translated document may contain errors from  
the translation, and that the English version is deemed to be authoritative
	4. the translator's name and the date of the translation (may include  
links to e-mail address and/or website).

The original copyright that was part of the English document must remain  
where it was and must remain in English. It is acceptable to provide a  
translation of the copyright notice in the target language in addition to  
the English version, but only the English copyright notice is legally   
binding.

The copyright notice does not need to appear twice. (That was not totally  
clear in earlier parts of this thread.)

Best regards,
Coralie

On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 10:41:14 +0200, Coralie Mercier <coralie@w3.org> wrote:

>
> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 07:49:11 +0200, Norihisa Washitake  
> <nori@washitake.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Coralie,
>>
>> I think I was a little confused.
>>
>> My question was whether we have to include the intact sentense you
>> have shown, besides the original copyright notice.  To be more precise,
>> I have a MathML TR translated in Japanese, whose original notice was:
>>> Copyright (C) 1998-2001 W3C (R) (MIT, INRIA, Keio),
>> where the years and W3C members are different from yours:
>>> Copyright of the original (C) 2004-2006 W3C (R) (MIT, ERCIM, Keio)
>> (and from CE Whitehead's translation)
>>
>> So, you will say that we translators have to modify the sentense
>> to keep the original copyright notice as is, right?
>
> No, sorry, Norihisa. The copyright found in the original English text of  
> Recommendations, notes, outreach materials must be left as they are, and  
> the translators do not need to change the dates to reflect those in the  
> example I gave.
>
>> For example,
>> I tried it in my translation at http://washitake.com/MathML/ver2/.
>> Is this okay?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Norihisa
>>
>> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:36:49 +0200
>> "Coralie Mercier" <coralie@w3.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Norihisa, all
>>>
>>> I think the copyright notice should be left intact.
>>>
>>> The translators need to prominently disclose [1] a few things,  
>>> preferably
>>> at the top of the document:
>>>     1. the original URL, the status of the document, and its original
>>> copyright notice.
>>>     2. that the normative version of the specification is the English
>>> version found at the W3C site.
>>>     3. that the translated document may contain errors from the  
>>> translation.
>>>
>>> The translators then indicate their name and the date of translation,  
>>> if
>>> they want, as well as links to their e-mail address and/or website.
>>>
>>> And the next bit is the document itselft, translated in the target
>>> language, except for the copyright notice that should be left in  
>>> English.
>>> It is acceptable to provide a translation of the copyright notice in  
>>> the
>>> target language, but only the English copyright notice is legally  
>>> binding.
>>> The translations are given as a pure information and convenience to the
>>> readers of translated specifications, notes, outreach material.
>>>
>>> I hope that helps.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Coralie
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/IPR-FAQ-20000620#translate
>>>
>>> On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 04:04:17 +0200, Norihisa Washitake
>>> <nori@washitake.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Coralie,
>>> >
>>> > When we include that English copyright notice, where
>>> > do you request us to do that?  Just replacing the original
>>> > copyright notice to that 'translator-version' (including
>>> > "Translated by ..." phrase you've shown), or adding it
>>> > right before/after the (translated) original notice, or
>>> > in the header/footer of the document?
>>> >
>>> > Or, you don't matter the position?
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> > Norihisa.
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, 08 Sep 2006 01:37:57 +0200
>>> > "Coralie Mercier" <coralie@w3.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear all
>>> >>
>>> >> CE Whitehead's question below has just been addressed by our legal
>>> >> department.
>>> >>
>>> >> A translation MUST include this statement (in English):
>>> >>
>>> >>     "Copyright of the original �� 2004-2006 W3C�� (MIT, ERCIM,  
>>> Keio), All
>>> >> Rights Reserved. Translated by [state the names here] W3C liability,
>>> >> trademark and document use rules apply for the original and the
>>> >> translation."
>>> >>
>>> >> It means a translation in the target language is allowed but we will
>>> >> look
>>> >> for the original, English copyright notice.
>>> >> It also means that if the copyright notice is only available in the
>>> >> target
>>> >> language, I will request that the above English notice be added.
>>> >>
>>> >> Best regards,
>>> >> Coralie
>>>
>>> --
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>>
>
>
>



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