- From: Dave Beckett <dave.beckett@bristol.ac.uk>
- Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:29:29 +0100
- To: Jeremy Carroll <jjc@hplb.hpl.hp.com>
- cc: w3c-rdfcore-wg <w3c-rdfcore-wg@w3.org>
>>>Jeremy Carroll said:
>
> Summary: use file scope syntactic datatyping mechanism.
>
> After the recent wg fracas about datatyping I have been consulting with my
> colleagues.
>
> No one in the WG will be surprised to hear that the HP team is split down
> the middle on the tidy/untidy issue.
>
> However, you may be surprise that we have reached a consensus about our
> preferred solution, with no dissent (within the HP Jena team).
>
> The first step towards it was to rename "tidy" as "short range" datatyping,
> and "untidy" as "long range" datatyping.
> Having done that, a compromise of "medium range" datatyping seems thinkable.
>
> Moreover, on further consideration, we determined that our preference for
> this new proposal was sufficiently great that we wanted the WG to consider
> it, despite its lack of timeliness.
>
> So here goes ...
>
> =========
>
> On the datatyping issue we have two camps:
>
> camp T want connolly's entailement and an easier life for implementors
> and developers
>
> camp U don't want to repeat the rdf:datatype on every instance
>
> Both of these needs can be met if an rdf/xml parser fully resolves the type
> of literals. When the triples come out of the parser, they have their
> datatype attached.
>
> In programming languages we do not write:
>
> <int>i = <int> i + 1;
> if (<int>i < <int>j) then {
> <int>i = <int>j + <int> i;
> ...
>
> We write:
>
> int i,j;
> i = i + 1;
> ...
>
> Following that model, add to RDF the ability to make datatype declarations:
Is this in the rdf/xml *syntax* or in the semantics? It would have
to be the former in order to generate the datatyped literals without
schema information, which is not presently required for going from
rdf/xml to ntriples. After all, inside the programming language, the
model always includes the type, even if the syntax lets it be elided.
Not sure if a programming language metaphor will appeal to everyone,
even if it works for me.
>
> <rdf:RDF>
> <rdf:Datatyping>
> <foo:prop1 rdf:datatypeRange="&xsd;decimal"/>
> <foo:prop2 rdf:datatypeRange="&xsd;string"/>
> </rdf:Datatyping>
>
> <rdf:Description>
> <foo:prop1>10</foo:prop1>
> <foo:prop2>10</foo:prop2>
> <foo:prop3>10</foo:prop3>
> </...
>
> produces:
>
> _:a foo:prop1 xsd:decimal"10" .
> _:a foo:prop2 xsd:string"10" .
> _:a foo:prop3 "10" .
>
> The object of the last triple is a literal classic which has tidy semantics.
Fine. Please say more about what rdf:Datatyping is. Are triple
generated here?
> Moreover we could combine this with Sergey's suggestion of two new types for
> tradional RDF String Literals, and traditional RDF XML Literals.
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-rdfcore-wg/2002Sep/0196.html
OK with me. By 'new types', you mean two new rdfs:Datatype
> Range constraints in a schema are understood as constraints not as long
> range datatyping. Thus with the previous data
>
> foo:prop3 rdfs:range xsd:decimal .
>
> simply fails (is contradictory); as would be:
>
> foo:prop3 rdfs:range xsd:string .
I think you'll have to say more about this - how clashes?
--
The outline idea works for me, seems possible but *groan* more syntax
changes mean more delays. We still haven't even decided on potential
abstract syntaxes for plain datatyped literals, delaying everything
else too.
Dave
Received on Wednesday, 2 October 2002 12:31:53 UTC