- From: Andy Seaborne <andy@seaborne.org>
- Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2021 16:11:28 +0000
- To: semantic-web@w3.org
On 26/03/2021 09:03, Dan Brickley wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Mar 2021 at 09:25, Pierre-Antoine Champin
> <pierre-antoine.champin@ercim.eu
> <mailto:pierre-antoine.champin@ercim.eu>> wrote:
>
> Dear Semantic Web community,
>
> as you may already know, an informal "task force" has been created
> in the RDF-DEV Community group [1], in order to produce a
> specification document for RDF-star (née RDF*) [2]. RDF-star
> extends RDF with native support for talking about RDF statements
> (as an alternative to standard reification), and already has a
> number of implementations. The goal of this work is to help ensure
> that all implementations are actually interoperable (which is not
> quite the case at the moment). Once this specification reaches a
> stable state, and provided that we get enough interest from RDF
> implementers and users, we will try to push it to Recommendation
> track.
>
> We require your feedback on the following question. We aim to mint
> a new IRI to be used with RDF-star. In your opinion, is it
> acceptable/desirable to propose its inclusion in the RDF namespace
> [3], or should we instead mint it in a separate namespace? We
> could not really reach consensus in the group, hence we wish to
> get more opinions from the larger community.
>
> We understand that, as a Community Group, we have no authority to
> /actually/ update the namespace (this would be done only by a
> future WG). But if we succeed in bringing this to a REC, changing
> from rdf-star:X to rdf:X at that point will be impossible in
> practice (remember the "0.1" part in FOAF IRIs?). And we also want
> to avoid repeating the confusing namespace dichotomy of rdf: and
> rdfs:. If we don't make it to a REC, this will mean that RDF-star
> is not widely used anyway, and so our "polluting" the RDF
> namespace will have had no real impact.
>
> Some people in the group, on the other hand, feel that the RDF
> namespace should considered fixed (although other specs have
> already added terms to it [4,5]), or that the semantics of
> RDF-star is not stable enough.
>
> The whole discussion can be found in the minutes of our call [6].
>
> Thanks in advance for your feedback.
>
> My advice would be to do something new. Perhaps we could arrange for a
> new short memorable ns at W3C that could be used for this?
A single, new "rdfx" (extensions) for all proposed URIs?
> It isn't clear at this juncture whether RDF-star is the seeds of the
> next generation of RDF, or a useful exploration. There are other
> approaches in the broad area (e.g. Wikidata's data model, labelled
> Property Graphs) and it is quite possible a future REC-track group
> might take another approach. So presuming upon official inclusion into
> the main RDF namespace seems a little presumptive of us, even if the
> hope is that things head in that direction. It could also feel like
> unfair on the W3C team to have us say "hey, millions of documents
> think that "foo" is in the rdf: namespace, how about making that true?".
> Maybe there is something that could be said in the implementation
> guide for software-creators to encourage it to be possible/easy to
> accept a future term that *is* in W3C's RDF ns?
I had assumed that the RDF-star final report would be proposing a new
URI, with text around it explaining that, rather than formally defining it.
Andy
>
> It's always been an awkward namespace btw, and is one of the oldest
> XML namespaces (the XML Namespace technology was designed at the same
> time, and not without controversies). One reason it is awkward is that
> it contains symbols that are used purely for the RDF/XML syntax
> designed back in 1997 (rdf:Description), but also it is just horribly
> long and hard to remember.
>
> pa
>
>
> [1] https://www.w3.org/community/rdf-dev/
> <https://www.w3.org/community/rdf-dev/>
>
> [2] https://w3c.github.io/rdf-star/cg-spec/
> <https://w3c.github.io/rdf-star/cg-spec/>
>
> [3] http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#
> <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#>
>
> [4] http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-plain-literal/
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-plain-literal/>
>
> [5] https://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld11/
> <https://www.w3.org/TR/json-ld11/>
>
> [6] https://w3c.github.io/rdf-star/Minutes/2021-03-12.html#t04
> <https://w3c.github.io/rdf-star/Minutes/2021-03-12.html#t04>
>
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