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Re: URNs vs. HTTP-URIs at CEUR-WS

From: Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:36:32 +0000
To: Graham Klyne <GK@ninebynine.org>, Michael Schneider <schneid@fzi.de>
CC: "semantic-web@w3.org" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Message-ID: <EMEW3|687498abc8ca681c40d744f479a7d6fcm0UFah02hg|ecs.soton.ac.uk|C78B5400.FD8E%hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Don't you just love those socio-technical issues.
At the DC conference in Seoul I got talking to someone from the library
where we were.
I happened to ask why they had chosen Dspace as opposed to what we use,
which is ePrints.
The answer was that it offered Handles, which I had never thought of as an
issue - it seemed to me (as Michael) that
http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/17587/ is a pretty persistent identifier.

It went something like:
"But what happens if we delete the document?"
"Then it isn't there to be found by the handle in any case."
"But what happens if we move the location?"
"Why on earth would you want to do that? You can move the documents around,
but why would you change the URI? You are the National Library of South
Korea - you say where things are. And you can redirect just as easily as a
Handle."
"We are paying for the service, I'm sure it's valuable."
"Ahhhh."


On 31/01/2010 14:55, "Graham Klyne" <GK@ninebynine.org> wrote:

> In my view, there are no purely *technical* advantages to this approach -
> indeed, technically it's an extra level of complication.
> 
> But, there may be *social* advantages:  many people are still wary (and with
> some cause in some environments) of using http: URIs as persistent
> identifiers. 
> The community may feel more comfortable with, and hence more likely to adopt,
> something that is so clearly signposted as a persistent identifier.
> 
> Of course, all the considerations of "cool URIs" [1] still apply.
> 
> #g
> --
> 
> [1] http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI
> 
> 
> Michael Schneider wrote:
>> Hi!
>> 
>> Here is something that makes me wonder:
>> 
>> CEUR-WS at
>> 
>>     http://ceur-ws.org
>> 
>> is a service for scientific workshops to publish their proceedings. The
>> complete workshop proceedings are freely available at HTTP-URIs such as
>> 
>>     http://ceur-ws.org/Vol-560
>> 
>> I consider this a good and stable URI scheme.
>> 
>> Now I find the following statement on the service's main page:
>> 
>>     27-Jan-2010: We have started to assign persistent
>>     identifiers (URN) to published volumes. You can
>>     resolve them either by installing URN Support
>>     as a plug-in to your browser or use a web-based resolver,
>>     e.g. http://nbn-resolving.de/urn:nbn:de:0074-560-7
>>     for Vol-560.
>> 
>> Does anyone have an idea what is the advantage of having this additional URN
>> scheme compared to the HTTP-URI scheme used so far (which is still valid, of
>> course). Do I miss something obvious?
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Michael
>> 
>> --
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> 
> 
> 
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