- From: <editor@content-wire.com>
- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:48:04 +0700
- To: "~:'' ありがとうございました。" <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
- Cc: <emmanuelle@sidar.org>, "'SW-forum Web'" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Thanks Jonathan >>5've been pressing the W3C management to include naive users in the >>specification process. which is another alternative.. definitely, as well as include them in the testing etc , I take you are working the in the Semantic Web Usability Standards team too? Thing is, I am not that 'naive' at all, I am system engineer analysing and designing rather advanced architectures Just have never managed to get a semantic web application to work the way I expect it to. And I cannot be sure if the problem is with me. (obviously feeling terribly insecure) or if there some other problem along the line (until I see TBL not being too sure either, then I feel OK again) I understand. these good semdevs are trying to get up some core functionality and they seem to communicate with each other nonetheless, but yes, whatever is that is happening, will have to be made intuitive and user friendly sooner or later, better sooner perhaps so maybe we can help and speed up the debugging too look forward! PDM regards Jonathan Chetwynd Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet On 7 Nov 2007, at 13:56, <editor@content-wire.com> wrote: Thanks Emmanuelle for understanding and supporting the point I know that some may not see the need to comply with WCAG www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT for applications that are supposed to be used by machines, I But these parsers and reasoners need to be written, developed, bought, designed, maintained, manged, budgeted for, operated by (intelligent?) humans (until we can replace those too) - these humans are likely to managing offline processes now, and I am not surprised the semantic web looks like its still distant to them - as well as to anyone else who is not writing semantic apps 'Semantic usability testing' is currently being done by the same geeks who develop the semantic things that nobody else can understand. A user group should be diverse and respond to a plural list of user profiles, especially if they are technology savy in other areas of IT, and still cant make sense of the think, or must struggle too hard to work it out, or dont have that kind of time right now I think there is scope for a web service to collect user feedback from all the semantic web applications and store it in an online repository for analysis and consideration and to help develop a repository for training materials and usability guidelines for semantic web applications .Should not be difficult to do,Emmanuelle, let me know if you want to start working together on this idea, we can propose a workgroup (or start a user led protest) Look forward to be testing intuitive semantic applications, at your convenience folks Paola Di Maio (PDM) ----- Original Message ----- From: Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo To: editor@content-wire.com ; 'SW-forum Web' Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:27 PM Subject: RE: User testing for semantic applicatons Hi "PDM", I agree with you. There are a lot of work around the "semantic web" and maybe is a good work for the "machines". But I can't understand why the people working on it don't care about accessibility. The semantic web is nothing if can't be useful for the humans. Accessibility means usability for all. So, I think that complain with the WCAG must be *prerequisite* for each semantic web application. Best regards, Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo Fundación Sidar Coordinadora del SIDAR www.sidar.org Email: coordina@sidar.org Tel.: +34 - 91 725 71 47 De: semantic-web-request@w3.org [mailto:semantic-web-request@w3.org] En nombre de editor@content-wire.com Enviado el: miércoles, 07 de noviembre de 2007 11:40 Para: SW-forum Web Asunto: User testing for semantic applicatons I must say something There are a lot of cool applications coming up, I try most of them , but they are new I am not sure what to expect exactly. What should it do? How do I know if there is an error, or if this is really the way it should look? Little documentation, usability almost not taken into account etc. Also I dont have all day, just a few minutes, a few clicks, then I lose interest, must move on Now, the linked data below is quite straighforward intuitive interface (not bad in fact) although a few more explanations and how to's would be good. I also got an error when I tried it (different from the error below) not sure what to do next All this to suggest a forum is created to handle usability of semantic applications, where we 'users' can report our experiences and get some help in running/understanding the stuffs. I have a lot of feedback and user tests already running on semantic applications, may be most productive if handled collectively and shared, rather than just sent to the developers who are likely not to understand my problem anyway (we seem to speak different languages) thoughts? cheers PDM ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Berners-Lee To: Hugh Glaser Cc: Linking Open Data ; SW-forum Web ; Ian Millard Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Linked Data available Umm ,,, in http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/ person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733ea I get Request for http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/ person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733eaabout under the hood Label Request for http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/ person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733ea Status 200 StatusText OK Accept-ranges bytes Connection close Content-length 2005 Content type text/xml Date Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:27:37 GMT Etag "7785ba-7d5-43e4bd0f48e00" Last-modified Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:27:36 GMT Server Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat) Handler opt off expandfetchSourceFetcher.XMLHandler Something funny about the XML: Line 2: doctype broken. 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