- From: ~:'' ???????????? <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
- Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 14:04:58 +0000
- To: <editor@content-wire.com>
- Cc: <emmanuelle@sidar.org>, "'SW-forum Web'" <semantic-web@w3.org>
Paola,
5've been pressing the W3C management to include naive users in the
specification process.
which is another alternative..
regards
Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet
On 7 Nov 2007, at 13:56, <editor@content-wire.com> wrote:
Thanks Emmanuelle
for understanding and supporting the point
I know that some may not see the need to comply with WCAG
www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT for applications that are supposed to
be used by machines,
I
But these parsers and reasoners need to be written, developed,
bought, designed, maintained, manged, budgeted for, operated by
(intelligent?) humans (until we can replace those too) - these humans
are likely to managing offline processes now, and I am not surprised
the semantic web looks like its still distant to them - as well as to
anyone else who is not writing semantic apps
'Semantic usability testing' is currently being done by the same geeks
who develop the semantic things that nobody else can understand. A
user group should be diverse
and respond to a plural list of user profiles, especially if they are
technology savy in other areas of IT, and still cant make sense of
the think, or must struggle too hard to work it out, or dont have
that kind of time right now
I think there is scope for a web service to collect user feedback
from all the semantic web applications and store it in an online
repository for analysis and consideration and to help develop a
repository for training materials and usability guidelines for
semantic web applications .Should not be difficult to do,Emmanuelle,
let me know if you want to start working together on this idea, we
can propose a workgroup (or start a user led protest)
Look forward to be testing intuitive semantic applications, at your
convenience folks
Paola Di Maio (PDM)
----- Original Message -----
From: Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo
To: editor@content-wire.com ; 'SW-forum Web'
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: User testing for semantic applicatons
Hi "PDM",
I agree with you. There are a lot of work around the "semantic web"
and maybe is a good work for the "machines". But I can't understand
why the people working on it don't care about accessibility. The
semantic web is nothing if can't be useful for the humans.
Accessibility means usability for all. So, I think that complain with
the WCAG must be *prerequisite* for each semantic web application.
Best regards,
Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo Fundación Sidar
Coordinadora del SIDAR www.sidar.org
Email: coordina@sidar.org
Tel.: +34 - 91 725 71 47
De: semantic-web-request@w3.org [mailto:semantic-web-request@w3.org]
En nombre de editor@content-wire.com
Enviado el: miércoles, 07 de noviembre de 2007 11:40
Para: SW-forum Web
Asunto: User testing for semantic applicatons
I must say something
There are a lot of cool applications coming up, I try most of them ,
but they are new
I am not sure what to expect exactly. What should it do? How do I
know if there is an error, or if this is really the way
it should look? Little documentation, usability almost not taken into
account etc.
Also I dont have all day, just a few minutes, a few clicks, then I
lose interest, must move on
Now, the linked data below is quite straighforward intuitive
interface (not bad in fact) although a few more explanations and how
to's would be good. I also got an error when I tried it (different
from the error below) not sure what to do next
All this to suggest a forum is created to handle usability of
semantic applications, where we 'users' can
report our experiences and get some help in running/understanding the
stuffs. I have a lot of feedback and user tests already running on
semantic applications, may be most productive if handled collectively
and shared, rather than just sent to the developers who are likely
not to understand my problem anyway (we seem to speak different
languages)
thoughts?
cheers
PDM
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Berners-Lee
To: Hugh Glaser
Cc: Linking Open Data ; SW-forum Web ; Ian Millard
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Linked Data available
Umm ,,, in http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/
person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733ea I get
Request for http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/
person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733eaabout under the hood
Label Request for http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/
person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733ea
Status 200
StatusText OK
Accept-ranges bytes
Connection close
Content-length 2005
Content type text/xml
Date Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:27:37 GMT
Etag "7785ba-7d5-43e4bd0f48e00"
Last-modified Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:27:36 GMT
Server Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat)
Handler opt off
expandfetchSourceFetcher.XMLHandler
Something funny about the XML: Line 2: doctype broken. Shoud not be
a doctype.
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE rdf:RDF [
<!ENTITY rdf 'http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#'>
<!ENTITY rdfs 'http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#'>
<!ENTITY owl 'http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#'>
<!ENTITY akt 'http://www.aktors.org/ontology/portal#'>
<!ENTITY akts 'http://www.aktors.org/ontology/support#'>
<!ENTITY extn 'http://www.aktors.org/ontology/extension#'>
<!ENTITY wiki 'http://resist.ecs.soton.ac.uk/wiki/'>
<!ENTITY resist 'http://resist.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ontologies/
resist#'>
<!ENTITY resex 'http://resist.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ontologies/
resilience-mechanisms#'>
<!ENTITY courseware 'http://www.resist-noe.org/ontology/
courseware#'>
<!ENTITY dc 'http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/'>
<!ENTITY dct 'http://purl.org/dc/terms/'>
]>
<rdf:RDF
xmlns:rdf="&rdf;"
xmlns:rdfs="&rdfs;"
xmlns:owl="&owl;"
xmlns:akt="&akt;"
xmlns:akts="&akts;"
xmlns:extn="&extn;"
xmlns:wiki="&wiki;"
xmlns:resist="&resist;"
xmlns:resex="&resex;"
xmlns:courseware="&courseware;"
xmlns:dc="&dc;"
xmlns:dct="&dct;"
>
<owl:Ontology rdf:about="">
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