Re: User testing for semantic applicatons

Paola,

5've been pressing the W3C management to include naive users in the  
specification process.
which is another alternative..

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd
Accessibility Consultant on Media Literacy and the Internet



On 7 Nov 2007, at 13:56, <editor@content-wire.com> wrote:

Thanks Emmanuelle

for understanding and supporting the point

I know that some  may not see  the need to comply with WCAG
www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT  for applications that are supposed to  
be used by machines,
I
But these parsers and reasoners need to be written, developed,  
bought, designed, maintained, manged, budgeted for, operated by  
(intelligent?) humans (until we can replace those too) - these humans  
are likely to managing offline processes now, and I am not surprised  
the semantic web looks like its still distant to them - as well as to  
anyone else who is not writing semantic apps

  'Semantic usability testing' is currently being done by the same geeks
who develop the semantic things that nobody else can understand. A  
user group should be diverse
and respond to a plural list of user profiles, especially if they are  
technology savy in other areas of IT, and still cant make sense of  
the think, or must struggle too hard to work it out, or dont have  
that kind of time right now

I think there is scope for a web service to collect user feedback  
from all the semantic web applications and store it in an online  
repository for analysis and consideration and to help develop  a  
repository for training materials and usability guidelines for  
semantic web applications .Should not be difficult to do,Emmanuelle,  
let me know if you want to start working together on this idea, we  
can propose a workgroup (or start a user led protest)

Look forward to be testing intuitive semantic applications, at your  
convenience folks



Paola Di Maio (PDM)





----- Original Message -----
From: Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo
To: editor@content-wire.com ; 'SW-forum Web'
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 7:27 PM
Subject: RE: User testing for semantic applicatons

Hi "PDM",

I agree with you. There are a lot of work around the "semantic web"  
and maybe is a good work for the "machines". But I can't understand  
why the people working on it don't care about accessibility. The  
semantic web is nothing if can't be useful for the humans.

Accessibility means usability for all. So, I think that complain with  
the WCAG must be *prerequisite* for each semantic web application.

Best regards,
Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo         Fundación Sidar
Coordinadora del SIDAR                  www.sidar.org
Email: coordina@sidar.org
Tel.: +34 - 91 725 71 47


De: semantic-web-request@w3.org [mailto:semantic-web-request@w3.org]  
En nombre de editor@content-wire.com
Enviado el: miércoles, 07 de noviembre de 2007 11:40
Para: SW-forum Web
Asunto: User testing for semantic applicatons

I must say something
There are a lot of cool applications coming up, I try most of them ,  
but they are new
I am not sure what to expect exactly. What should it do? How do I  
know if there is an error, or if this is really the way
it should look? Little documentation, usability almost not taken into  
account etc.
Also I dont have all day, just a few minutes, a few clicks, then I  
lose interest, must move on

Now, the linked data below is quite straighforward intuitive  
interface (not bad in fact) although a few more explanations and how  
to's would be good. I also got an error when I tried it (different  
from the error below) not sure what to do next

All this to suggest  a forum is created to handle usability of  
semantic applications, where we 'users' can
report our experiences and get some help in running/understanding the  
stuffs. I have a lot of feedback and user tests already running on  
semantic applications, may be most productive if handled collectively  
and shared, rather than just sent to the developers who are likely  
not to understand my problem anyway (we seem to speak different  
languages)

thoughts?
cheers
PDM

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Berners-Lee
To: Hugh Glaser
Cc: Linking Open Data ; SW-forum Web ; Ian Millard
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: Linked Data available


Umm ,,, in http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/ 
person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733ea I get


Request for http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/ 
person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733eaabout under the hood
Label Request for http://nsf.rkbexplorer.com/data/ 
person-6092a2a72319fc9437583fb2d04733ea
Status 200
StatusText OK
Accept-ranges bytes
Connection close
Content-length 2005
Content type       text/xml
Date Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:27:37 GMT
Etag "7785ba-7d5-43e4bd0f48e00"
Last-modified Wed, 07 Nov 2007 00:27:36 GMT
Server Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat)
Handler opt off
expandfetchSourceFetcher.XMLHandler



Something funny about the XML:  Line 2: doctype broken.  Shoud not be  
a doctype.



<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<!DOCTYPE rdf:RDF [
         <!ENTITY rdf 'http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#'>
         <!ENTITY rdfs 'http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#'>
         <!ENTITY owl 'http://www.w3.org/2002/07/owl#'>
         <!ENTITY akt 'http://www.aktors.org/ontology/portal#'>
         <!ENTITY akts 'http://www.aktors.org/ontology/support#'>
         <!ENTITY extn 'http://www.aktors.org/ontology/extension#'>
         <!ENTITY wiki 'http://resist.ecs.soton.ac.uk/wiki/'>
         <!ENTITY resist 'http://resist.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ontologies/ 
resist#'>
         <!ENTITY resex 'http://resist.ecs.soton.ac.uk/ontologies/ 
resilience-mechanisms#'>
         <!ENTITY courseware 'http://www.resist-noe.org/ontology/ 
courseware#'>
         <!ENTITY dc 'http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/'>
         <!ENTITY dct 'http://purl.org/dc/terms/'>
]>
<rdf:RDF
         xmlns:rdf="&rdf;"
         xmlns:rdfs="&rdfs;"
         xmlns:owl="&owl;"
         xmlns:akt="&akt;"
         xmlns:akts="&akts;"
         xmlns:extn="&extn;"
         xmlns:wiki="&wiki;"
         xmlns:resist="&resist;"
         xmlns:resex="&resex;"
         xmlns:courseware="&courseware;"
         xmlns:dc="&dc;"
         xmlns:dct="&dct;"
         >
         <owl:Ontology rdf:about="">



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