DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #658 Agenda 2016-10-25

DRAFT XML Query/XSL WG Joint Teleconference #658 Agenda 2016-10-25

Andy will chair this meeting.


Changes in this agenda:

This week, I'd like us to work on the following items:
J4.2 (F&O)
J4.6 (Test suite)

J = Joint Query/XSLT meeting;
Q = Query-only meeting

Teleconference connection details

(Member only)

Note to secretary: Please insert a summary of all decisions made during 
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Decisions MUST be clear as to their complete intent.  The subject of the 
decision should *not* require dereferencing; it is most helpful if 
agenda numbers and bug numbers are accompanied by their titles.  If a 
decision is recorded about the resolution of a bug, the decision must 
state exactly what the resolution is (e.g., "Accept the solution in 
comment #5", or "Replace the production for XXX with this: <new 
production>", or the like.  It should be possible to read a decision 
months later and be certain what it meant and whether or not it was 
properly applied.

Note to secretary: Please insert all new action items assigned during 
this teleconference at this location in the minutes.

Action items MUST make sense even when they are viewed standalone (that 
is, not read in the context of the agenda item where they were 
assigned).  This explicitly requires that all referents (e.g., "this", 
"that") be made clear.  Action items such as "Ralph to resolve this 
problem" are DISALLOWED.  It takes a scribe only a few additional 
minutes to ensure that action items are clear, while it takes the entire 
WG considerable effort to constantly research the meaning of unclear 
action items.  The subject of the action item should *not* require 
dereferencing; it is most helpful if agenda numbers and bug numbers are 
accompanied by their titles.

Joint XML Query Working Group and XSL Working Group

J1. Administrative Items

J1.1 Selection of secretary(s)

Jonathan has been asked to take the minutes.  Josh has been asked to stand 

NOTE: The chair will confirm the secretary prior to the start of the 

Most recent secretaries (least-recent participants first):
(This list identifies the most recent three occasions when each 
participant acted as Secretary for the Task Force.  The person whose 
name is at the top of the list should plan to take the minutes at the 
meeting identified by this agenda; if that person is unavailable, then 
the job will fall to the next person on the list, etc.

Jonathan Robie      - 2016-07-05, 2016-04-12, 2016-01-05
Josh Spiegel        - 2016-07-19, 2016-03-15, 2015-12-01
Mike Kay            - 2016-07-26, 2016-04-26, 2016-03-01
O'Neil Delpratt     - 2016-09-06, 2016-04-19, 2016-02-02
Liam Quin           - 2016-09-13, 2016-05-03, 2016-01-19
Tim Mills           - 2016-09-20, 2016-05-10, 2016-03-22
Michael Sprbrg-McQn - 2016-09-27, 2016-06-07, 2016-02-09
Michael Dyck        - 2016-10-04, 2016-06-14, 2016-03-08
Abel Braaksma       - 2016-10-18, 2016-06-28


Note to secretary: During the meeting, take a note of the Webex 
participants, then list in the minutes those present and those who sent 
regrets.  All others will be presumed to have been absent without regrets.

XML Query WG membership list: 

XSL WG membership list: 


J1.3 Approval of agenda

J1.3.1 Additions, deletions, or corrections?

J1.4 Review of recent minutes and administrative items

J1.4.1 Minutes of meeting #657 (Abel)

J1.5 Review of action items

NOTE: Please be prepared to respond quickly on your action items!

J1.5.1 Outstanding action items

ACTION A-655-05: Jonathan Robie to make a proposal to resolve bug 29858 
Function References - context information".

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-10-25

ACTION A-655-06: Jonathan Robie to review the use of the verb "denote" in 
XPath and XQuery specs.

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-10-25

ACTION A-656-05: Josh to implement the fix in comment 1 of bug 29868 
stylesheet does not always convert arrowExpr to XQuery correctly).

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

ACTION A-657-01: Jonathan to review XDM 3.1

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-10-25

ACTION A-657-02: Abel to finish reviewing F&O 3.1

Status: Pending; ETA 2016-10-25

ACTION A-657-04: MKay to update text of the FOJS error codes to include 
map/array functions where appropriate, see bug 29928

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

ACTION A-657-12: ABr to create more tests for fn:transform, as he 
describes in bug 29834

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

ACTION A-657-13: MKay to look at the tests in bug 29883 and suggest a fix

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

ACTION A-657-14: O'Neil to look at bug 29931 on collations to add 
dependencies for these tests

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

ACTION A-657-18: O'Neil to look at tests fn-transform-2, 26, 27 to improve 
them and actually test the caching, see Bug 29942

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

ACTION A-657-19: O'Neil to look at tests cbcl-cast-gYear-003 and 
cbcl-cast-gYearMonth-004 and to fix as proposed by MKay in comment #7 of 
bug 29547 (drop errors as allowed result)

Status: Pending; ETA not specified.

J1.5.2 Completed action items

ACTION A-654-11: Jonathan, Michael Kay, Abel, Tim, Michael 
Sperberg-McQueen and Andy to review assigned specifications.

Status: Closed; Opened some individual actions

ACTION A-656-01: MKay to make the change summarized in comment 11 of Bug 
(JSON options 'unescape' and 'liberal' prevent use of off-the-shelf JSON

Status: Closed; See

ACTION A-656-03: Abel to modify tests in fn/transform.xml to use XPath 

Status: Closed; Reported in last meeting

ACTION A-656-04: O'Neil to run the test suite catalog checks.

Status: Closed; Reported in meeting

ACTION A-657-03: MKay to implement changes required to allow "key" 
attribute in top level of json xml for fn:json-to-xml, bug 29917, 

Status: Closed; See

ACTION A-657-05: MKay to adopt "use-any" for map:merge and to add a Note 
to clarify its meaning, see bug 29929

Status: Closed; See

ACTION A-657-06: MKay to implement making errors on unspecified variables 
or context item a dynamic error for fn:load-xquery-module, bug 29930

Status: Closed; See

ACTION A-657-07: MKay to implement the proposal on FOQM007 in bug 29935, 

Status: Closed; See

ACTION A-657-10: MKay to propose a response to make the parameter 
stylesheet-base-uri implementation defined to address the concerns raised 
in the bug report, see bug 29939

Status: Closed; See

ACTION A-657-08: MKay to put the rules on serialization parameters in one 
place, see comment#0 and #1 in bug 29940

Status: Closed; See

ACTION A-657-09: MKay to bring fn:transform in line with fn:serialize 
w.r.t. serialization parameters, see Bug 29943

Status: Closed; See

ACTION A-657-11: Andy to make the text on use-character-maps to read: "The 
use-character-maps parameter is directly applicable to the Adaptive output 
method only as elsewhere specified.", see Bug 29925

Status: Closed; See

ACTION A-657-15: O'Neil to fix the tests mentioned in this bug report, 
fn-parse-json-110, bug 29934

Status: Closed; See

ACTION A-657-16: Tim to fix test fn-load-xquery-module-012 as he proposed 
in bug 29936

Status: Closed; See

ACTION A-657-17: Tim to fix test fn-load-xquery-module-060 as he proposed 
in bug 29937

Status: Closed; See

J1.6 Update on related activities

J1.6.1 Update on XSLT WG activities (Sharon, MikeK)

J1.6.2 Update on EXPath/EXQuery CG activities (Mike)

J1.7 Future Meetings

J1.7.1 QT Meeting Schedule

[V45] Joint XML Query/XSL WG meeting schedule

J1.7.2 Future F2F Meetings

J1.7.2.1 Other future F2F meetings


J2. Documents For Review


J3. Maintenance Issues

J3.0 The XML Query WG and XSLT WG do not intend to maintains specs 
earlier than the 3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches 
Recommendation, maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other problems 
reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) suite of specifications.

J3.0.1 Concerns raised by the XSLT working group in regards to potential
completion delays of XSLT 3.0 if XPath 3.0 is made obsoleted by 3.1

Status: Pending the outcome of Abel's review of 3.0 bugs/errata.
        Any change to the status of the 3.0 specs requires explicit XSL WG

J3.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of joint XML Query WG and 
XSLT WG documents


J4. Active Specification Development

** Note: Full Text 3.1 has been removed from the WG agenda.
If, in the future, there is sufficient interest (i.e. at least two
independent participants to develop the spec and implementations),
then this can be brought back on the agenda.

J4.1 Data Model 3.1 (Norm)

J4.1.0 Internal working draft


J4.2 Functions and Operators 3.1 (Mike Kay)

J4.2.0 Internal working draft

J4.2.1 Bug 29918 - [FO31] map:find ordering constraint prevents streaming 

Status: Ready to discuss

J4.2.2 Bug 29939 - [FO31] fn:transform stylesheet-base-uri options
See proposal in comment #4

Status: Ready to discuss

J4.2.3 Bug 29940 - [FO31] fn:transform serialization parameters
See proposal in comment #4

Status: Ready to discuss

J4.2.4 Bug 29951 - [FO31] fn-transform "saved"

Status: Ready to discuss

J4.3 Serialization 3.1 (Michael Sperberg-McQueen, Andy)

J4.3.0 Internal working draft


J4.4 XPath 3.1 (Jonathan)

J4.4.0 Internal working draft

J4.4.1 Bug 29858 - [XP31] Named Function References - context information

Status: Pending completion of A-655-05

J4.5 Grammar Test Applets (Michael Dyck)


J4.6 QT3 test suite (O'Neil)

J4.6.1 Status report on test suite, harness, tools

J4.6.2 Status of 3.1 tests results

Status: Currently three implementers submitted results

J5. Progression of Work

J5.1 XSLT 3.0, XQuery 3.1, XQueryX 3.1, XPath 3.1, XDM 3.1, F&O 3.1, 
Serialization 3.1

J5.1.1 Current status

* In Candidate Recommendation; awaiting implementation reports

* Potential coordination of dates with XSLT 3.0

J5.1.2 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Detailed review of specifications by WG

Participant assigned to each document for detailed review
  - XDM 3.1           - Jonathan
  - XPath 3.1         - Mike Kay
  - F&O 3.1           - Abel
  - Serialization 3.1 - Tim
  - XQuery 3.1        - Michael Sperberg-McQueen
  - XQueryX 3.1       - Andy

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request

J5.2 Update 3.0

J5.2.1 Current Status

* In Last Call Working Draft

At XML Prague, Liam talked to a few people about XQuery Update but found 
no great enthusiasm for doing the work.  We cannot progress without plans 
for a test suite and potential implementers.  The WG needs to decide what 
to do with this spec.

Status: Ready to discuss

J5.2.2 Require owner of XQUF 3.0 Test Suite

J5.2.3 Dependencies inhibiting progression

* CR Transition Request and authorization, CR pub request

* Completion of test suite minimum-required-to-declare-victory

* Sufficient implementation experience and reports thereof

* Formal response to all comments, responses accepted by commenters

* PR Transition Request and authorization, PR pub request

* REC Transition Request and authorization, REC pub request

J6. Any other business

J6.1 Consideration of future work

J6.1.1 QT 3.2

The WGs decided that we will finish the 3.1 documents presently under way,
but undertake no new work. Maintenance work should be planned upon for a
period of time after finishing the specifications. 

J6.1.2 FT 3.1

Currently inadequate interest and resources

J6.1.3 Update 3.1

Currently inadequate interest and resources

J7. Adjourn

XML Query Working Group

Q1. The XML Query WG does not intend to maintains specs earlier than the 
3.0 suite of documents; when the 3.1 suite reaches Recommendation, 
maintenance of the 3.0 documents will be terminated.

Q1.0 This agenda item is reserved for reporting errors and other 
problems reported against the 3.0 (later, 3.1) XML Query WG suite of 

Q1.1 Bugzilla Bugs filed against the 3.0 suite of XML Query WG documents


Q2. Active Specification Development

Q2.1 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 (John)

Q2.1.0 Internal working draft

* The WG needs to obtain implementation experience with this document.

Q2.2 XQuery Update Facility 3.0 Requirements and Use Cases (Andy)

* The WGs need to be certain that this document is completed 
(red/yellow/green bullets on requirements, all the use cases intended to 
be published) and a decision made to advance it to WG Note.

Q2.3 XQuery 3.1 (Jonathan)

Q2.3.0 Internal working draft


Q2.4 XQueryX 3.1 (Josh)

Q2.4.0 Internal working draft


Q3. Test Suite Development

Q3.1 Update Facility 3.0 Test Suite (????)

* Need test suite developer/manager

* Need tests 

Q4. Any other business

Q5. Adjourn

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