- From: Norman Walsh <ndw@nwalsh.com>
- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:36:35 -0400
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See http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/09/25-minutes W3C[1] - DRAFT - XML Processing Model WG 25 Sep 2008 Agenda[2] See also: IRC log[3] Attendees Present Vojtech, Norm, Alex, Richard, Andrew Regrets Henry, Mohamed, Michael Chair Norm Scribe Norm Contents * Topics 1. Accept this agenda? 2. Accept minutes from the previous meeting? 3. Next meeting: 2 Oct 2008 4. Open actions 5. Review of last call comments 6. 016 7. 020 8. 022 9. 024 10. 027 11. 030 12. 031 13. Any other business? * Summary of Action Items ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Accept this agenda? -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/09/25-agenda Accepted. Accept minutes from the previous meeting? -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/09/11-minutes Accepted. Our Last Call period ends tomorrow! Next meeting: 2 Oct 2008 Vojtech gives regrets; Norm at risk, but Henry will chair in his absence. Open actions Revisit after looking at the issues. Review of last call comments -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/08/lastcall/comments.html 016 Mohamed asked us to review the kinds of nodes that can go through select/match patterns on steps See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2008Sep/0049.html[7] Norm's proposed changes to p:replace Accepted. Norm's proposed changes to p:wrap -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2008Sep/0045.html Richard: I don't have a strong objection, but I'm a bit dubious about having what nodes are ignorable depend on what's on either end. Vojtech: Can it happen that you have a match that matches an element or a text node. Richard: What about two text nodes with a comment between them? You might want to group those. Norm: I see, that would work according to the old rules. Rejected, stick with the status quo. Norm: Then Mohamed and I had a short discussion about p:insert, ending with: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2008Sep/0053.html Norm's proposed changes to p:insert Accepted. Richard: Just a moment. Suppose the match pattern matches a PI before the document element. Norm: Then we could just let the natural failure mode handle that. Richard: If we have an error for producing a document that's not well formed, then we could remove that case--we don't need a special error for it. ... Then we could use error 25 for just the case that doesn't make any sense. Norm: I'm happy with that. Proposal: Adopt Norm's proposal with Richard's change to error 25. Accepted. Vojtech: In p:replace, we say that we can only replace elements. ... Isn't that like p:insert? Norm: Yes, I must have overlooked that one. ... So, we should allow match on p:replace to match elements, comments, PIs, and text nodes? Proposal: Change p:replace as suggested Accepted. 020 Norm: I misunderstood issue 020 last time we talked about it. I thought it was about XML encryption/decryption, effectively a dup of the other one. ... But in fact, it's about text-encrypt, a la gnupg. ... I dont' think we ahve a use case for that, so I'm inclined to reject it. ... If we did add it, it would be a little complicated because it would need to be a wrapper. Richard: Henry suggested we should allow the relevant WGs to invent their own libraries. Alex: Right. We let users create new steps, so they can do it. ... We'll revisit in 1.1 or 2.0 or something. Norm: Yes, but we have an encyption/decryption use case in our requirements document, so I'm a little worried. Richard: Presumably we aren't required to do it if we have a good explanation. Not having the expertise seems like a good reason. Norm: I'm content to leave the *XML* encryption/decryption case open until after we've been able to speak with the XML Security WG. ... This issue is about text encryption. Proposal: Reject this issue. Accepted, no new steps for text encryption/decryption 022 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-comments/2008Sep/0029.html Norm summarizes Norm: I've done my best, does anyone have any other or better suggestions? ... Ok, then I'd like to close the issue. Accepted. 024 Norm: I addressed this by changing the definintion in-scope variables in 2.6.2.1. <scribe> ACTION 2008-09-25-01: Norm to make the parallel change in 2.6.1.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-xproc-minutes.html#action01[11]] Norm summarizes the changes: defining in-scope variables as being the "specified options" and adding a note about unspecified options. Norm: Does anyone think that that fails to adequately resolve the issue? Proposal: That resolves the issue. Accepted. 027 Norm: The change here is wrt the type of options, variables, and parameters ... I've changed the introductory sections to say that the values "MUST be a string or xs:untypedAtomic" where they used to say "MUST be a string". ... I felt that was necessary for consistency with the actual definitions later on. ... Does anyone have reservations about that change? Proposal: That's fine. Accepted. 030 Norm: Let's go through this one. ... I'm inclined to agree with point 1. No objections. Richard: It's ok as long as none of *our* steps have any implementation-defined ones. ... Do they want XProc implementations to be allowed to have extra pre-defined namespaces, or whether they merely want it to be possible for certain steps to have certain pre-defined namespaces. <scribe> ACTION 2008-09-25-02: Norm to follow-up with the XQuery/XSL WGs on this point. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-xproc-minutes.html#action02[12]] Norm: The only other non-editorial comment is about the XQuery step. I'm inclined to accept comments from the XQuery WG about the p:xquery step. Sounds ok. Norm: I'll try to address these in the next draft and bring back any issues that I see. 031 Norm: I'm inclined to make no change. Proposal: Stick with the status quo Accepted. Any other business? Vojtech: Someone asked on xproc-dev what the definition of the XSLT match pattern is; is there a clear definition? We should try to clarify that. Norm: I'm happy to point a little more explicitly to the respective definitions of Pattern in XSLT 1.0 and 2.0. <scribe> ACTION 2008-09-25-03: Norm to make the XSLTMatchPattern reference a little more explcit [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-xproc-minutes.html#action03[13]] Adjourned. Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION 2008-09-25-01: Norm to follow-up with the XQuery/XSL WGs on this point. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-xproc-minutes.html#action02[14]] [NEW] ACTION 2008-09-25-02: Norm to make the parallel change in 2.6.1.1 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-xproc-minutes.html#action01[15]] [NEW] ACTION 2008-09-25-03: Norm to make the XSLTMatchPattern reference a little more explcit [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-xproc-minutes.html#action03[16]] [End of minutes] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] http://www.w3.org/ [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/09/25-agenda [3] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-xproc-irc [7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2008Sep/0049.html [11] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-xproc-minutes.html#action01 [12] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-xproc-minutes.html#action02 [13] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-xproc-minutes.html#action03 [14] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-xproc-minutes.html#action02 [15] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-xproc-minutes.html#action01 [16] http://www.w3.org/2008/09/25-xproc-minutes.html#action03 [17] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm [18] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/ Minutes formatted by David Booth's scribe.perl[17] version 1.133 (CVS log[18]) $Date: 2008/09/25 18:35:26 $
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