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Re: henry and code

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:32:30 -0500
Message-ID: <4EC4723E.8080800@openlinksw.com>
To: public-xg-webid@w3.org
On 11/16/11 8:43 PM, Peter Williams wrote:
> I really ought to ask:
> does anyone have an EXISTING source implementation of webid relying 
> party that runs on windows (AND is built using native microsoft 
> technologies).
> Running virtuoso on linux in a vmware linux emulator... does NOT count.

Virtuoso is a cross platform product. It runs natively on Windows, Mac 
OS X, Linux, Solaris etc.. That's how we roll :-)

> Running a POSIX process under cygwin similarly does NOT count.
> If not, there is obviously a major hole in this implementation community.
> If someone has a joomla controller/plugin/module for joomla tuned to 
> webids, also let me know. We have joomla running under IIS on Windows, 
> finally.

Virtuoso is also a serious .NET host, a few moons ago, it included Mono 
hosting when we assumed Novell and co. would actually make something of 
cross platform .NET.

We are not a covert Linux only play. Neither are we a so called Open 
Source Stack play. Virtuoso is about real platform independence.

> Is there a updated foaf.me certificate issuing site which produces a 
> XML graph with the VERY latest syntax for the webid statements?
> Is there an updated mywiki certificate issuing site, which produces an 
> RDFa serialized graph (with the very latest...syntax)?
> Its obvious that my experiments to host XML files with RDF graphs on 
> cloud file servers, and then RDFa XML elements on consumer-facing blog 
> sites (e.g. wordpress) have failed.

Wordpress has failed, neither has Twitter, LinkedIn, Facebook, or any of 
these other Web 2.0 oriented data spaces.

Hopefully, I'll be showing off certificates that have ProxyURI based 
WebIDs. Basically, a layer of abstraction atop our Web 2.0 drivers that 
enables any relying agent built for WebID to leverage the aforementioned 
data spaces as players in the IdP space.

> I'll just give up on that tack, and assume sites like foaf.me will 
> mint and host the user's graphs.

Hopefully you've digested my comments.
> What webid needs is lots of relying party sites that consume the webid 
> claims, and guard access to the content using the semantic web.

I think more about the WWW as a navigable Linked Data Space. Adding 
semantics to its hyperlink based tapestry enables smart processing of 
claims that form the basis of verifiable identity. Syntax and stack wars 
are the only impediments to current visibility. The whole thing is 
actual here right now !!

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: home_pw@msn.com
> To: public-xg-webid@w3.org
> Subject: henry and code
> Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:14:18 -0800
> Henry has (appropriately) challenged me to produce a 
> (modern) implementation of webid (by which he means an http responder 
> that pings the URL of an inbound TLS 1.0 client cert and verifies if a 
> graph exists at that URI, by considering the relevant statements. In 
> essense, the verifying routine performs a sparql query having 
> downloaded a graph from a file. Having done so, it should mint a 
> session using some platforms session management infrasructure.
> Im happy to do so, upgrading the code I distributed publicly for webid 
> a long time ago - still available publicly. As he says in his private 
> email, its time. The code I distributed a long time is 2 years out of 
> date, and represented the dotNet 3.5 community (furthermore), and its 
> (then) luke walm adoption of RESTful technologies. Things have changed 
> a lot in the last 2 years in the windows world; even in real estate I 
> got to offer custom RSS feeds for the first time (full of SSO URI that 
> pass session between sites, rather than blog content).
> Shall we say 7 days from now? What I propose to do is take the 
> microsoft webmatrix download (which incidentally self-hosts 
> joomla, drupal and wordpress instances, whose (wordpress) SIOC plugins 
> Ive been exploiring all day) and modify the ASP.NET application which 
> Microsoft distributes as a model of how relying parties site really 
> ought to work with IDPs. Out of the box, it comes with openid, and 
> OAUTH protocol support (but not browserID); being aimed at web masters 
> (vs web developers). I propose I make it also accept https with client 
> certs, where the interceptor validates the webid claims; minting a 
> local session using webid as an authentication mechanism, as an 
> alternative to redirecting to facebook, google, hotmail, etc.
> It will be useful to see how Windows has evolved in the RDF/semantic 
> area, in those 2 years.



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