- From: ZENG, MARCIA <mzeng@kent.edu>
- Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 19:42:54 -0400
- To: public-xg-lld <public-xg-lld@w3.org>
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Dear all,
Thanks to the the great help of Antoine and Emma, today’s minutes is now available at:
http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld-minutes.html
A text version follows.
Thanks to everyone who helped or contributed to the minutes.
Cheers,
Marcia
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLD XG
26 May 2011
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0061.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2011/05/26-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
antoine, TomB, Jodi, emma, michaelp, jeff_, marcia, kcoyle,
edsu, rsinger, Monica
Regrets
uldis, daniel, joachim, peter, william, Ray, Kevin, Kim, Kai,
Gordon
Chair
Emma
Scribe
Marcia
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]ADMIN
2. [6]FINAL REPORT - DRAFT
* [7]Summary of Action Items
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<jodi> can't make it today but will keep half an eye on IRC
<emma> Previous: 2011-05-19
[8]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minut es.html
[8] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html
<kcoyle> no, not me. i haven't dialed in yet
<tbaker> me rssagent, please draft minutes
<kcoyle> that's me
<emma> Scribe: Marcia
<emma> scribenick: marcia
[9]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/RunningAgenda
[9] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/RunningAgenda
ADMIN
<kcoyle> sounds fine
PROPOSED: To accept
[10]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html
[10] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html
Emma: any objection to the minutes of last telecon?
RESOLUTION: approved minutes from last call
Emma: check the future schedule of agenda
... we have asked for extension
... until the end of August
... have not heard feedback
... we will have a telecom every two weeks in the Summer
... no telecom next week
... many will be at LOD-LAM next week
... LOD-LAM summit ... who is going to the summit
tom: 10 members of the LLD XG will be there.
... no formal presentations
... may be a good opportunity to disseminate the main ideas we have
in the report, disscuss the idea of follow on W3C community
... suggest to coordinate among ourselves to prepare each session of
the report
... 2-3 slides
... combine into one presentation. each will have that on our
laptop, ready to present some ideas
... if the idea is relevant with the break up groups, we can present
<emma> 0m/e @Monica keep insisting on Nice, I made it finally
tom: presentation the main point, help to see the big picture of the
report, find the gaps in the report
... important to get feedback
... suggest the 10 of us to prepare to cover each section of the
report, coordinate among ourselves.
... attend: Tom, Antoine, Karen, Jodi, Marcia, Asaf Bartov, Kevin
Ford, Uldis Bojars, Jonathan …
<scribe> ACTION: Tom to send email to the LOD-LAM participants and create a final version of the presentation [recorded in
[11]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
FINAL REPORT - DRAFT
<emma>
[12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0055.h
tml
[12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0055.html
<scribe> ACTION: Digikim to update the transcluded version of the
report by Wed Apr 13 [recorded in
[13]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action06] [DONE]
[13] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minutes.html#action06
Emma: action is done
<emma>
[14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0051.h
tml
[14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0051.html
<scribe> ACTION: Antoine and Emmanuelle to talk about strategies for
getting comments at next call [recorded in
[15]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action15] [CONTINUES]
[15] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action15
Antoine：there was a suggestion about using a system that allows to
comment on each paragraphs
... found a system used by JISC
Kcoyle: asking about time period of review
Emma: we need to get more people in the review process
... in the group there were people involved in the edited writing.
... may need to extend to beyond the group members
... by the end of August, try to get the comments
... try to identify one or two reviewers to particular section,
invite them, like a peer-review process
... suggestion on how to proceed
... extend to mid-August
Karen: thinking of more general community feedback
... what the library community thinks of this
... people will feel that they are involved.
... reading report as the general content
... Maybe we should send to a number of lists and events to get
people aware
... tell people to propose to the list
<edsu> +1 # karen's suggestion to get the full report out in front of a lot of people as a draft
Karen: need to make sure they feel they are heard
Emma: need to implment a tool to be able to comment on the wiki
Karen: many people do not have account on wiki may not to bother to
do that
<edsu> kcoyle: just as an aside, this #wwic (why wasn't i consulted)
is a nice essay about the importance of this :)
[16]http://www.ftrain.com/wwic.html
[16] http://www.ftrain.com/wwic.html
Karen: maybe should be on the email
... send a call, telling people to put the words about the
commenting in the subject line
<tbaker> +1 to handling comments on email, encouraging specific
subject lines
Antoine: wonder if Karen see the system I mentioned.
... it was easy to enter
... writing next to the paragraph
<edsu> antoine: which one did you find?
*ed: [17]http://digress.it/
[17] http://digress.it/
Karen: something like that will be good, but maybe a bit more work
<emma> JISC using the system :
[18]http://rdtfmetadata.jiscpress.org/
[18] http://rdtfmetadata.jiscpress.org/
Antoine: one can see other people's comments together using this
tool.
Karen: Jodi replied that there are tools that help to do the
reviews.
<jodi> besides digress.it, there is commentpress
<jodi> [19]http://commentpress.com
[19] http://commentpress.com/
<jodi> probably others, too
<jodi> right, [20]http://rdtfmetadata.jiscpress.org/ is using
[21]http://digress.it
[20] http://rdtfmetadata.jiscpress.org/
[21] http://digress.it/
Karen: those are wordpress based ones
Emma: comments on different sections -- move on
<jodi> one concern raised (by Antoine?) was they encourage
paragraph-level review, over gestalt/overall review
<jodi> antoine: sorry, I'm travelling the next 3 weeks, I can't do that.
<antoine> @jodi: me too, I understand :-)
<jodi> antoine: however, my impression is that it's just a wordpress
plugin, so anybody reasonably comfortable with that would probably
be able to admin
<jodi> antoine: the harder questions are sociotechnical -- where do
you put it (so that it's public in the long-term, doesn't disappear)
<jodi> antoine: would be bad to mint lots of non-cool URIs! :)
ACTION: everyone to read
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Li
nked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report and do lightweight review
[recorded in
[23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
[22] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report
[23] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action04
<emma>
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0048.h
tml
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0048.html
Emma: Jodi initiated the discussion
... asking for comments
Tom: reading through dataset examples ... they can also be digital
resources
<kcoyle> actually, 'sound recordings' in library records can be
digital
Tom: so I edited the description of them
<edsu> Tom++ # you added mp3 i guess?
<antoine> jodi: I could ask Europena, maybe...
<kcoyle> it's just that's only obvious to librarians/catalogers :-)
<scribe> -- CONTINUES
<jodi> antoine: that would be great :)
<edsu> kcoyle: books can be electronic too :)
<scribe> ACTION: Tom to ask Hideaki or Dickson to review
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action06] [CONTINUES]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits
[26] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action06
Tom: Time is too short for them to review it within this week. I did
my review and posted the results before this call.
... invite to take a look at the section that made changes
Emma: some feedback, on broadern the general benefits of LD
Tom: oriented to URIs, emphasized on resources are made more
accessible
... Karen's points on what organizations gain from LD seemed to be
done mostly. Other comments?
Karen: It was not missing some content there, but there need to have
more emphasis. People (like managers) may never heard about 'URI'...
Maybe says "using LD technologies, you can get these, these, and
these..."
... 'URI' may confuse people
... emphasis should be reversed
... changing the wording --
... open the section with what you get, not with how you get it.
... not the process.
Jeff: maybe emphasize linking
<rsinger> +1 linking
<rsinger> and also identifiers
<rsinger> other than uris
Ed: agree with Karen.
... target to managers, 'URI' might be confusing.
... later in the report to talk about how to link, not at the
beginning of the report.
<kcoyle> yes, talk about identifiers, not URIs
<edsu> +1
Tom: URI is pretty central. The concept of globally unique
identifiers is central; it is important for understanding other
benefits.
... There could be changes of the wording.
Karen: good idea to talk about identifiers
... a little bit cross to what LD is
michael: need to be careful, though.
... the way of transforming those unique identifiers to the URIs
still need work
... be careful about the wording
Emma: maybe need other suggestions.
Ed: suggest Karen to draft, change the background.
<rsinger> sam here
<rsinger> er
<rsinger> sa,e
<rsinger> gah
<antoine> :-)
Karen: will take a stand on that
Ed: Karen: position them in the way you talked about them is good
<edsu> kcoyle++ # thanks!
<scribe> ACTION: Karen to edit the Benefits section [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
<michaelp> Example for a UUID URI:
urn:uuid:7673868d-231e-490d-9c4f-19288e7e668d
<ACTION: Ed to review
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Dat
asets_Section next Tuesday for discussion on Thursday [recorded in
[29]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action08] [CONTINUES]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section
[29] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action08
Ed: need to spend more time
... In general, they are very good
... vocabularies and the links with the cases are useful
... the overview are in both documents
... the one that goes on to the report has the 'observations' which
are very good
... will email more
... one question is about the distinguishing between value
vocabularies and datasets
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Dat
asets_Section
... is it OK to think both
... summary of importance of linking. Very nice.
... Regarding how the linking is happening in the domain, maybe give
example of some projects-- frameworks to help people to link things
... highlight some those projects.
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section
<antoine> SILK (from LOD2)
scribe: will send email about them
<antoine> thanks, ed!
<jeff_>
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Dat
asets_Section#An_inventory_of_existing_library_linked_data_resources
[31] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section#An_inventory_of_existing_library_linked_data_resources
Jeff: about the definitions. Tried to come up with the words to
explain that value vocabularies can be some kinds of datasets.
Antoine: there are some datasets can be used as value vocabularies,
e.g., Freebase
... will spend sometime again to write, help the understanding
Jeff: had a point about these could be thought of datasets
Ed: might be important to emphasize that things can be fuzzy
Emma: maybe find people as targets and have them to read and review
the section.
<kcoyle>
[32]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0053.h
tml
[32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0053.html
<edsu> re: "These are classified into three main groups: metadata
element sets, value vocabularies, and datasets." doesn't sound fuzzy
to me
<scribe> ACTION: Karen to review
[33]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technol
ogies for next week [recorded in
[34]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action09] [DONE]
[33] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies
[34] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action09
Karen: should add some types of technologies that target to
different users
... e.g., include technologies for metadata developers, not instance
creators
<tbaker> Maybe add a reference to the tool Ed mentioned - "framework
to help people link things"?
Jeff: some of the things Karen listed are similar to what were
listed in 'tools' section.
<tbaker> Ed, do you have a link for that?
ACTION: Antoine to review
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page for
next week [recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action11] [DONE]
[35] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action11
<antoine>
[37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0072.h
tml
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2011May/0072.html
Antoine: document is long, and I couldn't help reading the detail. I
will send email later with comments on details.
... but I like it, really well written, the 'problems' made clear
... perhaps too clear as the tone of the section is quite negative
(and for good reasons) ... especially, it does not mention that some
initatives happened, even if prototypes ... and some headings and
sentences are quite bold (cf. Jodi's comment) ... so the section
succeeds, but it makes me feel our efforts are doomed ;-) ... there
could be some words changed, to instill hope ... perhaps it would be
good also to connect individual issues to individual recommendations
<kcoyle> :-)
<edsu> hope++
Karen: those of us who worked on the recommendations realized to go
back to the issues too.
<tbaker> kcoyle, jodi - a good place to pick up on our next call
(Draft_issues)
Emma: We have reached to the end of the hour... will leave two more
reviews to discuss next time.
<jodi> tbaker: sure. I'm booked out until LOD-LAM, though
Emma: close the actions that people already reported, re: reviews
<jodi> tbaker: don't feel the need to wait for me
<emma> Still to be discussed : Recommendation section and Use case report
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: Karen to edit the Benefits section [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[NEW] ACTION: Tom to send email to the LOD-LAM participants and
create a final version of the presentation [recorded in
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/26-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Antoine and Emmanuelle to talk about strategies
for getting comments at next call [recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action15]
[PENDING] ACTION: Tom to ask Hideaki or Dickson to review
[41]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits recorded in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: everyone to read
[43]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Li
nked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report and do lightweight review
[recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[40] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action15
[41] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits
[42] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action06
[43] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Benefits#.22Library_Linked_Data.22:_Scope_of_this_report
[44] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action04
[DONE] ACTION: Ed to review
[45]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Dat
asets_Section next Tuesday for discussion on Thursday [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Digikim to update the transcluded version of the
report by Wed Apr 13 [recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Antoine to review
[48]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page for
next week [recorded in
[49]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action11]
[DONE] ACTION: Karen to review
[50]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technol
ogies for next week [recorded in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minu
tes.html#action09]
[45] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Vocabularies_Datasets_Section
[46] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action08
[47] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/04/07-lld-minutes.html#action06
[48] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_issues_page
[49] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action11
[50] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_Relevant_Technologies
[51] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2011/05/19-lld-minutes.html#action09
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