Re: [Bug 6463] New: Attaching Policy to WS-Mex GetMetadata

Gil

Perhaps the issues are getting confused (in particular, this one with 
7728)?  I intended 6463 to specifically address the problem of getting 
policy associated with the Mex.GetMetadata operation in order for the 
effective endpoint policy to be established later (via GetMetadata).

Thanks
Katy



From:
Gilbert Pilz <gilbert.pilz@oracle.com>
To:
Katy Warr/UK/IBM@IBMGB
Cc:
Asir Vedamuthu <asirveda@microsoft.com>, public-ws-resource-access@w3.org
Date:
02/11/2009 20:32
Subject:
Re: [Bug 6463] New: Attaching Policy to WS-Mex GetMetadata



Katy,

Forgive me if I am missing something here, but we seem to have wandered 
away from the original topic. Although I think you make some good points 
about clarifying how to bootstrap metadata retrieval, in use case we were 
discussing the EPR consumer either cannot or does not wish to retrieve any 
additional metadata. What they want is EPRs that contain the effective 
endpoint policy within them.

- gp

On 11/2/2009 2:09 AM, Katy Warr wrote: 

Asir 

Yes, I agree that we could close with no action, but it would be 
beneficial to have an example.  I also think that this provides us with an 
opportunity to make the spec easier for readers in this area. 

I suggest: 
1) Add an example for GetMetadata in section 8 "Bootstrapping Metadata 
Retrieval". 
2) Example 7.2 illustrates how the WS-T Get might be bootstrapped.  Move 
example 7.2 to section 8 so that the 2 examples are same relevant section 
3) Example 7.2 could be improved.  I can raise a separate issue for this 
or we could fix it here. 

Detailed proposal is attached below.  Note that for (1), I used external 
policy attachments.  This is  because we already have examples with 
embedded metadata and a variety of examples is always helpful to readers. 
However, embedded wsdl would work in the example too.  Similarly, I used 
MetadataLocation in (3) for variety. 

Many thanks 
Katy 

Draft Proposal  for 6463: 
========================= 

1) Add the following to WS-Mex section 8 Bootstrapping-Metadata-Retrieval: 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------- 


For example, metadata for the WS-MetadataExchange GetMetadata operation 
MAY be passed within an Endpoint Reference as illustrated in example 8.1.  


Example 8.1: Passing Policy of the GetMetadata request within an EPR 

(01)  <wsa:EndpointReference
(02)      xmlns:wsa='http://www.w3.org/2005/08/addressing'>
(03)    <wsa:Address>http://services.example.org/stockquote</wsa:Address> 

       <wsa:Metadata> 

(08)      <mex:Metadata xmlns:mex='http://www.w3.org/2009/09/ws-mex'>
(09)        <mex:MetadataSection
               Dialect='http://www.w3.org/TR/ws-policy-attach'>      
                <wsp:PolicyAttachment>
                  <wsp:AppliesTo> 
                      <!-- Following according to: 
http://www.w3.org/TR/ws-policy-attach/#uri-domain-expression --> 
                      <!-- with URI syntax from: 
http://www.w3.org/TR/wsdl11elementidentifiers/                 -->
                     <wsp:URI> 
                          
http://www.w3.org/2009/09/ws-mex#wsdl1.PortTypeOperation(GetMetadata) 
                  </wsp:URI>
                  </wsp:AppliesTo> 
                   <wsp:Policy> ... </wsp:Policy>  
               </wsp:PolicyAttachment> 
(22)        </mex:MetadataSection>
(23)      </mex:Metadata>
(24)    </wsa:Metadata>
(25)  </wsa:EndpointReference> 

Example 8.1 shows an EPR that supports WS-MetadataExchange.  Lines [09] to 
[22] specify a metadata section that defines required policy for the 
WS-MetadataExchange GetMetadata operation using the WS-PolicyAttachments 
[WS-PolicyAttachments] dialect.  Note that it would be valid to pass the 
WS-MetadataExchange WSDL with policy in-lined instead of the 
WS-PolicyAttachment. 

2) Move example 7.2 to section 8 
-------------------------------- 

because this example is specific to bootstrapping metadata retrieval and 
fits nicely with the example above with additional text something like: 

"Similarly, metadata for the WS-Transfer Get operation may be passed 
within an Endpoint Reference as illustrated in example 7.2." 

3) Finally, I suggest that we improve example 7.2 within the context of 
this issue 
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 


Make the following updates to example 7.2: 

  a) Add "Identifier='http://www.w3.org/2009/09/ws-tra'> " line 16 below 
  b) Replace:   
  (16)                  <!-- Reference to WS-Transfer WSDL wst:Resource 
portType
 (17)                     plus binding --> 
  with: 
                        <mex:MetadataLocation> 
                           <!-- Reference to WS-Transfer WSDL at the 
Metadata Endpoint --> 
  (17)                        
http://services.example.org/stockquote/metadata/TransferWSDL 
                        </mex:MetadataLocation> 

The resulting example is: 

Example 7-2: Endpoint reference with embedded metadata about the Metadata 
Reference 
(01)  <wsa:EndpointReference
(02)      xmlns:wsa='http://www.w3.org/2005/08/addressing'>
(03)    <wsa:Address>http://services.example.org/stockquote</wsa:Address>
(04)    <wsa:Metadata>
(05)      <mex:Metadata xmlns:mex='http://www.w3.org/2009/09/ws-mex'> 

(06)        <mex:MetadataSection
(07)            Dialect='http://www.w3.org/2009/09/ws-mex'> 
(08)          <mex:MetadataReference>
(09)            <wsa:Address>
(10)              http://services.example.org/stockquote/metadata
(11)            </wsa:Address>
(12)            <wsa:Metadata>
(13)              <mex:Metadata>
(14)                <mex:MetadataSection
(15)                  Dialect='http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/wsdl/' 
(16)                    Identifier='http://www.w3.org/2009/09/ws-tra'> 
                      <mex:MetadataLocation> 
                         <!-- Reference to WS-Transfer WSDL at the 
Metadata Endpoint --> 
(17)                        
http://services.example.org/stockquote/metadata/TransferWSDL 
                      </mex:MetadataLocation>
(18)                </mex:MetadataSection>
(19)              </mex:Metadata>
(20)            </wsa:Metadata>
(21)          </mex:MetadataReference>
(22)        </mex:Metadata> 
          </wsa:Metadata> 
        </EndpointReference> 




From: 
Asir Vedamuthu <asirveda@microsoft.com> 
To: 
"public-ws-resource-access@w3.org" <public-ws-resource-access@w3.org> 
Date: 
02/11/2009 01:38 
Subject: 
RE: [Bug 6463] New: Attaching Policy to WS-Mex GetMetadata




There is a simple, natural solution - embed a WSDL (using MEX in an EPR) 
that specifies binding/port information for the MetadataExchange portType 
at http://www.w3.org/2009/09/ws-mex/metadataexchange.wsdl and attach 
policy expressions to bindings, as appropriate. This is specifically 
covered by some prose in the current version of WS-MetadataExchange draft 
[1]:

"In particular, the mechanisms described in 7 Metadata in Endpoint 
References allow issuers of endpoint references to include sufficient 
protocol binding information to allow requesters to issue a Get request 
against a metadata resource, or a Get Metadata request against a service 
endpoint, in order to retrieve all the information needed to use the 
service."

Proposal: close issue 6463 without any action!

[1] 
http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-ws-metadata-exchange-20090924/#Bootstrapping-Metadata-Retrieval 


Regards,

Asir S Vedamuthu
Microsoft Corporation

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Subject: [Bug 6463] New: Attaching Policy to WS-Mex GetMetadata


http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6463

          Summary: Attaching Policy to WS-Mex GetMetadata
          Product: WS-Resource Access
          Version: PR
         Platform: PC
       OS/Version: Windows XP
           Status: NEW
         Severity: normal
         Priority: P2
        Component: MetadataExchange
       AssignedTo: public-ws-resource-access-notifications@w3.org
       ReportedBy: katy_warr@uk.ibm.com


We should consider clarifying or recommending how policy should be 
associated
with a WS-MetadataExchange GetMetadata request.  ('Policy' might be 
existing
policies such as WS-SecurityPolicy or potential new assertions, as 
described in
issue 6406 here: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6406).

A GetMetadata operation's policy cannot be attached within the Web service
endpoint's WSDL because:
In order for a client to establish the WS-Mex GetMetadata policy, it would 
need
to issue a GetMetadata(WSDL) request at the web service endpoint...but in 
order
to issue a GetMetadata request at the endpoint it would need to establish 
the
WS-Mex GetMetadata policy...

The issue here is: what is the correct way to bootstrap the bootstrap 
(without
entering an infinite loop)?


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