Re: Reference Parameters - using them

I agree that this is a missed opportunity. As is clear from Conor's  
message, users of Addressing will end up designing multiple solutions  
to the problem. As I suggested earlier, perhaps we need a more  
visible pointer to WS-Context in the specification or, alternatively,  
a WG note could specify a standard WS-Addr based mechanism ?

Marc.

On Sep 29, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Pete Hendry wrote:

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> Good to know I'm not the only one thinking this. The problem I see  
> is the usefulness of AddressingParameters is seriously degraded in  
> the current design. I see almost no useful scenarios for their use  
> in their current state. I'm sure people can come up with plenty  
> that they may use them for, but as I said the most common case (I'd  
> go so far as to say that it is probably the main use I would have  
> for them) is not supported which is a big loss.
>
> Pete
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> Marc Hadley wrote:
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>> On Sep 28, 2005, at 7:35 PM, Pete Hendry wrote:
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>>>
>>> Related to David's examples for i057, I was wondering about what  
>>> I  would consider the most common use-case for reference  
>>> parameters -  the server wanting the client to return context in  
>>> the next  request. It seems to me the current design of reference  
>>> parameters  are only useful for
>>>
>>> a) fixed value data - i.e. not session-like data
>>> b) the client asking the server to pass back information using  
>>> the  replyTo header
>>>
>>> Consider the (common?) scenario where a client logs into a  
>>> server.  The server then creates a "session" in which it has  
>>> customerKey and  shoppingCartId values it wants the client to  
>>> pass back in each  subsequent request. These are opaque as the  
>>> client does not have to  know what the customerId or  
>>> shoppingCartId are to work, it just has  to include them as-is.  
>>> ReferenceParameters seem the ideal vehicle  for this but where  
>>> would the server specify these parameters?
>>>
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>> This is the kind of use case I had in mind when I raised issue 15 
>> [1],  the group didn't want to go there and we settled on pointing  
>> to WS- Context instead[2]. Mebbe we need to add something to the   
>> specification along these lines rather than just in the issue   
>> resolution in the issues list ?
>>
>> Marc.
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>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/wd-issues/#i015
>> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-addressing/ 
>> 2005Jan/ 0180
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>>> They are not fixed values and will change for each  
>>> "conversation"  so they cannot just be specified in the WSDL with  
>>> fixed values.  They have to be parameterized somehow to allow the  
>>> server to set  the actual session values and pass them to the  
>>> client to be  included in the next request.
>>>
>>> Is this beyond the scope of reference parameters? In (my   
>>> understanding of) their current form they are of little use. It  
>>> is  unlikely you would want to publish fixed values within  
>>> parameters  in WSDL (or any other static mechanism) and less  
>>> likely that the  client would start the session information that  
>>> could be contained  within them.
>>>
>>> Pete
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> ---
>> Marc Hadley <marc.hadley at sun.com>
>> Business Alliances, CTO Office, Sun Microsystems.
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Marc Hadley <marc.hadley at sun.com>
Business Alliances, CTO Office, Sun Microsystems.