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Re: On babies and bathwater (was Re: [rtcweb] Summary of Application Developers' opinions of the current WebRTC API and SDP as a control surface)

From: Rob Manson <roBman@mob-labs.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2013 16:24:36 +1000
Message-ID: <51EB7EA4.6040605@mob-labs.com>
To: "public-webrtc@w3.org" <public-webrtc@w3.org>
Thanks Stefan.

Yep...will do.

roBman


On 21/07/13 15:46, Stefan Håkansson LK wrote:
> Rob,
>
> Peter T has a spreadsheet at
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AuaKXw3SkHMSdHlZdV9RN0xSWFhybVl4anJLRkVPV0E#gid=1
> collecting the experiences made when using the WebRTC APIs. Could you
> enter what you have learned? The more people that contribute the better.
>
> Stefan
>
> On 7/21/13 1:08 AM, Rob Manson wrote:
>> +1
>>
>> As a web developer that's spent a lot of time experimenting with the
>> currently specified version of the WebRTC related APIs and that's been
>> following the mailing list debates closely this really does seem like
>> the best resolution.
>>
>> It provides a more extensible and flexible architecture that can evolve
>> at "web developer speed" not "aligned browser release speed". And at
>> this speed it will also be less fragile.
>>
>> It provides a clear separation of concerns so people can use SDP where
>> they want, but not everyone is restricted by the timelines of other WGs
>> that are required to evolve SDP.
>>
>> And it would enable even more experimentation and future facing
>> development too.
>>
>>
>> Also, in terms of timing I think getting this right is more important
>> than the current commitment to a deadline.
>>
>> This is from the perspective of a web developer that has gone to all the
>> effort of just finishing a book on "Getting started with WebRTC" using
>> the existing API and who is also working on several commercial projects
>> based on the current API.
>>
>> So if anyone should be promoting "just get the first version out" then
>> it should be someone in my position. But I think you really will find
>> that most web developers would rather we got this abstraction right
>> first so we can avoid all of the extra support issues and application
>> re-work that will be required down the track if we don't.
>>
>> roBman
>>
>>
>> On 20/07/13 23:51, Iņaki Baz Castillo wrote:
>>> Let W3C experts to define a good JS API for WebRTC (with no SDP), let
>>> MMUSIC WG to define a SDP format for WebRTC, and then let JavaScript SIP
>>> experts to build JS libraries on top of it to play the SDP game, and we
>>> all will be happy. And telcos will be much more happy than they think.
>>> Let's get rid of all the SDP O/A stuff in the browser. The browser is
>>> not a phone and "fixed logic + fixed code" does not work here.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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