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Re: Where to attach a DTMF API

From: Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:00:24 -0500
Message-ID: <CAOJ7v-1cPkZG0MQMP_LSS5giGu058P4uu-jh=hF+MEgcFi1row@mail.gmail.com>
To: Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>
Cc: public-webrtc@w3.org
On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Justin Uberti <juberti@google.com> wrote:

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>
> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>wrote:
>
>> **
>> On 12/01/2011 07:32 AM, Justin Uberti wrote:
>>
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>> On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 1:00 AM, Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no>wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/30/2011 08:45 AM, Stefan HÃ¥kansson wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 11/30/2011 05:25 AM, Justin Uberti wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Unlike Stefan, I think the API makes most sense if it's an API on a
>>>>>    MediaStreamTrack object. If it is an API on a PeerConnection, it
>>>>>    would have to be something like PeerConnection.DTMF(StreamID,
>>>>>    TrackID, "12345"), which seems somewhat bizarre. It could easily be
>>>>>    defined to generate failure if the other end of the MediaStreamTrack
>>>>>    is not a playout into a PeerConnection.
>>>>>
>>>> I had a simpler, but error prone, proposal which meant you would not
>>>> have to supply Stream aor TrackID.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This matches my viewpoint. We've created a nice object-oriented API, so
>>>>> I'd like to maintain that design as much as possible, even if means a
>>>>> bit more implementation work.
>>>>>
>>>> It seems that most people want to go this way (i.e. attach sendDTMF to
>>>> a MediaStreamTrack), so this is probably what we should do.
>>>>
>>>> A follow up question: if that track is recorded or played out locally
>>>> or remotely, should there be any traces/signs of the DTMF inserted? You
>>>> could imagine that the actual tones are played/recorded, but you could
>>>> equally well imagine that there are no signs of the DTMF stuff when
>>>> recording/playing out.
>>>>
>>>  My feeling is that this relates to the question of "what do we record
>>> when we record".
>>> If we're recording the RTP packet stream, the DTMF should be there; if
>>> we record a WAV file, it has to be converted somehow; the converter may
>>> well be aware of DTMF and record them as sound.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Followup question: should we define a specific AudioMediaStreamTrack
>>>>> that inherits from MediaStreamTrack, and only expose this DTMF API on
>>>>> AudioMediaStreamTracks?
>>>>>
>>>> Without thinking very much about it, defining separate
>>>> AudioMediaStreamTrack and VideoMediaStreamTrack makes sense to me.
>>>>
>>>>> Or should we expose it from all tracks, and have
>>>>> it throw an exception on tracks that don't support DTMF? And how should
>>>>> apps know if DTMF is supported?
>>>>>
>>>>> My suggestion would be to introduce AudioMediaStreamTrack, and have the
>>>>> DTMF API fail if the other side doesn't support telephone-event.
>>>>> Support
>>>>> for telephone-event can be determined from parsing the incoming SDP
>>>>> (with ROAP), or the PeerConnection.remoteDescription method (with
>>>>> JSEP).
>>>>>
>>>> Sounds reasonable to me.
>>>>
>>>  Javascript's standard mechanism for extensibility seems to be "if in
>>> doubt, call it and catch the failure". Defining an AudioMediaStreamTrack
>>> (or AudioMediaStreamTrackThatSupportsDTMF) seems like a logical way to
>>> describe this interface in IDL; what the implementations should do seems
>>> less clear to me.
>>>
>>
>>  Sure, but the UI needs to know if DTMF is supported before we call the
>> DTMF method, i.e. should we even display a DTMF dialpad in the UI.
>>
>>  I think that the JS
>>
>> if (!track.DMTF)
>>    dialpad.disable()
>>
>> will do it (check if the track object has a DTMF property; functions are
>> properties too).
>> But the more common JS idiom seems to be
>>
>> try
>>    track.DTMF("")
>> catch
>>    dialpad.disable()
>>
>> Apologies for errors in JS syntax.
>>
>>
> If I understand correctly, you are suggesting that we only expose this
> function from a AudioMediaStreamTrack if the remote side supports DTMF.
>
> I'm not opposed to this, but is there a way to express this in WebIDL?
>
>

Harald, do you have further thoughts on this?
Received on Friday, 9 December 2011 19:01:23 UTC

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