Re: Public TelCon Tomorrow, November 6th at standard time

Ah, awesome. Guess I'll have to try it.

Maybe we should add a note about that to WPD:Meetings (if there's nothing against promoting Skype).

On 06.11.2012 21:24, Sébastien Desbenoit wrote:
> Skype works perfectly for me from France. You just have to add the +1 before the toll free number. No charge, everything is ok.
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> Le 6 nov. 2012 à 21:21, frozenice <frozenice@frozenice.de> a écrit :
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>> Hmm, don't know about skype and international accounts / calls. Don't know about fees, never used it. :/
>>
>> Maybe someone who knows can chime in.
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>> On 06.11.2012 21:13, Jonathan Garbee wrote:
>>> You can use Skype to call in and it should be toll free even using that.  It is how I have been calling in the past two weeks.
>>>
>>> -Garbee
>>>
>>> On 11/6/2012 3:04 PM, frozenice wrote:
>>>> Have there ever been thoughts about switching the TelCon to VoIP? Tuning in from Germany I have two issues: telephone fees and voice quality.
>>>>
>>>> If we would use something like Mumble [1] then international participants wouldn't need to worry about their telephone bill and would be able to understand people more clearly
>>>> (anyone who tried Mumble has to love the voice quality there). I guess most people own a headset for Skype / Teamspeak / similar anyway.
>>>>
>>>> There are also free iOS/Android apps for Mumble, so people can still join if they aren't near a computer (provided they have a compatible device).
>>>>
>>>> If any folks want to give Mumble a try, you can connect to frozenice.de port 33445 (no password needed, Server is in Germany). You might need to bring someone to talk to along ;)
>>>> Else there's a server loopback test mode in your options.
>>>>
>>>> Mumble authentication (if someone wants to register) is based on certificates, you can also bring along your own valid cert you use for S/MIME for example, if not your client
>>>> will generate a self-signed cert.
>>>>
>>>> Mumble could also be used at anytime, for spontaneous meetings and such, maybe even some people like to hang around.
>>>>
>>>> Just saying, I think it would be nice, but that's just my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ (yes, it's open-source!)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 06.11.2012 19:15, Alex Komoroske wrote:
>>>>> Great meeting today!
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are the action items:
>>>>>
>>>>> As a reminder, *action items are expected to be completed by the next meeting (Tuesday)*.
>>>>>
>>>>> ACTION: jkomoros to implement the above stuff about attributes
>>>>> ACTION: Paul to talk to Alexis about CanIUse data license and use on WPD.
>>>>> ACTION: Paul to do further investigation into feasibility of markdown tool
>>>>> ACTION: Peter to write up formal debrief of Adobe doc sprint
>>>>> ACTION: shepazu to write up a guide on how to do translations by hand and send e-mails to the list
>>>>> ACTION: shepazu to document how the translation workflow should work and send to the list
>>>>> ACTION: scottrowe to write up a proposal for flow-chart/organization of architecture
>>>>> ACTION: shepazu to lock it down so that only admins can move pages
>>>>> ACTION: Julee to set up content architecture meetings for the next few weeks
>>>>> ACTION: Scott to add the upcoming WPD Google hackathon
>>>>> ACTION: shepazu to approach Event Apart/John Alsup folks about doing a WPD docsprint
>>>>> ACTION: Alex to send out a doodle poll about a template-guru seminar
>>>>> ACTION: Garbee to flesh out the todo proposal, including wireframes, open questions, etc.
>>>>> ACTION: Doug to make progress towards hosting skin on GitHub
>>>>> ACTION: Shepazu to post a proposal to the list about the different options for title
>>>>>
>>>>> And here are the full notes:
>>>>>
>>>>> jkomoros: scribe: jkomoros
>>>>> [09:06am] jkomoros: Topic: Review last week's action items
>>>>> [09:06am] jkomoros: ACTION: Janet to propose a page where people keep track of what they're currently working on
>>>>> [09:06am] HammHetfield joined the chat room.
>>>>> [09:06am] jkomoros: jkomoros: Janet did do this
>>>>> [09:06am] jkomoros: julee_: No response to the thread
>>>>> [09:07am] paul_irish: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Current_activity
>>>>> [09:07am] chris9911 joined the chat room.
>>>>> [09:07am] jkomoros: paul_irish: There's a straw man there with an example. A few people chimed in on the thread, and that's as far as got.
>>>>> [09:07am] jkomoros: ACTION: jkomoros to explain use of merge candidate flag on the page.
>>>>> [09:07am] jkomoros: jkomoros: done, on WPD:Flags/Merge_Candidate
>>>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: ACTION: Garbee to write up proposal for tracking of TODOs on site and send for comment.
>>>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: Garbee: Done.
>>>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: ACTION: jkomoros to implement the above stuff about attributes
>>>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: jkomoros: Not done. I will plan to tackle on Friday
>>>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: NEWACTION: jkomoros to implement the above stuff about attributes
>>>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: OLDACTION: Paul to talk to Alexis about CanIUse data license and use on WPD.
>>>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: paul_irish: Incomplete
>>>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: NEWACTION: Paul to talk to Alexis about CanIUse data license and use on WPD.
>>>>> [09:09am] jkomoros: ACTION: Paul to re-open markdown syntax ticket and restart discussion
>>>>> [09:09am] jkomoros: paul_irish: Garbee reopened it and discussion.Discussion tracked along the lines of, "awesome to do client side, but we need to go in both directions."
>>>>> [09:09am] David_Bradbury joined the chat room.
>>>>> [09:09am] jkomoros: … We need to translate wikimarkup back into markdown, and that part is hard to do. Needs more exploration
>>>>> [09:09am] jkomoros: … I will do more exploration
>>>>> [09:10am] jkomoros: ACTION: Paul to do further investigation into feasibility of markdown tool
>>>>> [09:10am] leaverou joined the chat room.
>>>>> [09:10am] jkomoros: Topic: Docsprint Debrief
>>>>> [09:10am] jkomoros: PeterLubbers: Great event. About 120 people signed up. Only had space for about 50. we figured there would be a number of no-shows.
>>>>> [09:10am] jkomoros: … at the peak we had between 50 and 60 in the room.
>>>>> [09:11am] shepazu: (why markdown rather than wysiwyg?)
>>>>> [09:11am] jkomoros: … We opened 34 new accounts. Maybe 60-70% of new folks
>>>>> [09:11am] Garbee: Markdown is what most seem to like to write in more.  I'd guess due to GitHub.
>>>>> [09:11am] jkomoros: … and a number of very experienced folks, including some with MediaWiki experence
>>>>> [09:11am] jkomoros: … HUGE thanks to Adobe. Really successful.
>>>>> [09:11am] jkomoros: … they provided breakfast, lunch, dinner, drinks, and the space.
>>>>> [09:11am] Garbee: We actually need to discuss that more, since I learned this week we can use some real HTML markup, so that would be the preferred way to go I think.
>>>>> [09:12am] jkomoros: … and nice shwag. T-shirts and some nice notebooks.
>>>>> [09:12am] jkomoros: … we have more t-shirts coming.
>>>>> [09:12am] cgoodman joined the chat room.
>>>>> [09:12am] jkomoros: … I'll do a more formal writeup
>>>>> [09:12am] jkomoros: … I went through all of the history logs, we go through over 800 committs!
>>>>> [09:12am] jkomoros: ACTION: Peter to write up formal debrief of Adobe doc sprint
>>>>> [09:12am] jkomoros: … lead of Sencha spent all day working  on SVG filter documentation
>>>>> [09:13am] David_Bradbury: I'd avoid WYSIWYG if we can. We should encourage clean markup here just as we would in our actual code
>>>>> [09:13am] jkomoros: … we started at 9:30 and ended around 5, and majority were there the whole day
>>>>> [09:13am] jkomoros: … no major issues. No 503 errors, for examples.
>>>>> [09:13am] Garbee: WYSIWYG is actually needed.  Since we want the lowest barrier to entry possible.
>>>>> [09:13am] jkomoros: … a number of developers wanted to be able to send pull requests for CSS/site
>>>>> [09:13am] jkomoros: … others wanted to make the developers more interactive.
>>>>> [09:14am] jkomoros: … last night one of them sent summary e-mail to the group. Cool prototypes--everyone should check them out.
>>>>> [09:14am] jkomoros: … for this hackathon, Scott Rowe created a doc sprint tracking sheet. It worked pretty well. People could claim the areas they were working on so they wouldn't
>>>>> step on each other's toes
>>>>> [09:15am] mike5w3c left the chat room. (Quit: mike5w3c)
>>>>> [09:15am] jkomoros: … definitely having a tool LIKE this is important for future docsprints
>>>>> [09:15am] Garbee: http://bit.ly/YDdTU2  --Link to spreadsheet.
>>>>> [09:16am] paul_irish: jkomoros: one of the guys there was an expert in mediawiki bots. he wrote one that looked at recent new/moved pages and flag ones that dont follow URL
>>>>> guidelines we set. e.g. if the HTML was uppercase, it'd flag it. He was gonna post to list but didn't just yet
>>>>> [09:17am] jswisher joined the chat room.
>>>>> [09:17am] jkomoros: PeterLubbers: Part of the point of these events is the on boarding process to get new people involved.
>>>>> [09:18am] mdel joined the chat room.
>>>>> [09:18am] jkomoros: topic: Translations
>>>>> [09:19am] jkomoros: jkomoros: At the docsprint, NotTomato found a lot of pages that were translations and flagged them
>>>>> [09:19am] jkomoros: shepazu: We wanted to have translations at launch. But the mediawiki extensions weren't suitable. They had a bad workflow and changed content around in original
>>>>> article.
>>>>> [09:20am] jkomoros: … The same people that helped us with comments extension and others, we've been talking with them about doing a translation extension. There are also folks from
>>>>> Wikipedia who are interested.
>>>>> [09:20am] jkomoros: … in the meantime we could simply allow people to create translations using the convention we're going to follow
>>>>> [09:20am] jkomoros: … so if someone would want to do a spanish article, they could take the original article, add a "/es" to the end of the URL and do a translation there.
>>>>> [09:21am] jkomoros: … to keep them current, we need to have an indicator on the main page about which translations are available, and on the translated page how recently the main
>>>>> page has been updated since this one has been page.
>>>>> [09:21am] jkomoros: *edited
>>>>> [09:21am] jkomoros: … and also a new UI.
>>>>> [09:21am] jkomoros: … we hope to have it started very soon. This is a common request.
>>>>> [09:22am] chris9911 left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)
>>>>> [09:22am] jkomoros: ACTION: shepazu to write up a guide on how to do translations by hand and send e-mails to the list
>>>>> [09:22am] jkomoros: ACTION: shepazu to document how the translation workflow should work and send to the list
>>>>> [09:23am] jkomoros: eliot: What happens with moved English articles?
>>>>> [09:23am] jkomoros: shepazu: Because they're all subpages, as long as you check "move subpages", which should be default, then it should work
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>>>>> [09:25am] jkomoros: jkomoros: We need to make sure that people know where to put articles
>>>>> [09:25am] jkomoros: shepazu: What about a wizard
>>>>> [09:25am] jkomoros: paul_irish: We could just have a bot flag these so admins can figure out where they go
>>>>> [09:26am] jkomoros: … I want the contributor to be able to contribute very quickly. Don't want them to have to learn about entire IA.
>>>>> [09:26am] jkomoros: … So I'd like a way for admins to be able to find new articles and move them
>>>>> [09:26am] jkomoros: scottrowe: I've looked into this. I've found our current URL architecture is very confused.
>>>>> [09:27am] jkomoros: … We haven't arrived at an agreement at how API should be built out.
>>>>> [09:27am] jkomoros: … I'm working on a proposal which I'll send out today
>>>>> [09:27am] jkomoros: *this week
>>>>> [09:27am] jkomoros: ACTION: scottrowe to write up a proposal for flow-chart/organization of architecture
>>>>> [09:27am] mike5w3c joined the chat room.
>>>>> [09:28am] fr0zenice: just checked, if someone did say that pages can only be moved by admins, that's wrong [sry the quality isn't the best, listening from germany :)]
>>>>> [09:28am] jkomoros: ACTION: shepazu to lock it down so that only admins can move pages
>>>>> [09:29am] jkomoros: julee_: This is why I wanted a con tent architecture meeting
>>>>> [09:29am] jkomoros: … so maybe once scott sends that out we can meet up
>>>>> [09:29am] jkomoros: … if we are able to document what the architecture IS, then we can reinforce it in the experience on the website, which will help people understand it.
>>>>> [09:29am] Garbee: fr0zenice, If it is wrong then we should address the permissions.
>>>>> [09:29am] jkomoros: … If we can have pages that are exemplary of a given type to point people to
>>>>> [09:30am] Garbee: They *should* be only movable my admins atm. Regular users should flag.
>>>>> [09:30am] fr0zenice: then we need to strip movefile / move / move-subpages / move-rootuserpages from Users
>>>>> [09:31am] jkomoros: ACTION: Julee to set up content architecture meetings for the next few weeks
>>>>> [09:32am] jkofoed joined the chat room.
>>>>> [09:32am] jkomoros: Topic: Vibrant use of events calendar
>>>>> [09:32am] jkomoros: eliot: Just wanted to make sure we get a calendar going so we have more than two items on there.
>>>>> [09:32am] shepazu: +1
>>>>> [09:32am] jkomoros: … ideally we'd have a 3 month lead of conferences, doc sprints, hackathons.
>>>>> [09:32am] shepazu: q+
>>>>> [09:32am] HammHetfield left the chat room. (Quit: HammHetfield)
>>>>> [09:33am] jkomoros: … I think that's a resource we can make use of
>>>>> [09:33am] jkomoros: jkomoros: Absolutely. Put things up as soon as you know they may happen. Mark as tentative before the date is finalized.
>>>>> [09:33am] jkomoros: ACTION: Scott to add the upcoming WPD Google hackathon
>>>>> [09:34am] jkomoros: shepazu: It occurs to me that we might want to co-locate a docsprint with a conference
>>>>> [09:35am] jkomoros: … or even emphasize conferences that are aligned with WPD, or that give a free ticket to a WPD memeber.
>>>>> [09:35am] jkomoros: eliot: Does anyone have a close contact at Event Apart?
>>>>> [09:35am] jkomoros: shepazu: We've talked to some of these folks, they're enthusiastic
>>>>> [09:35am] Salt joined the chat room.
>>>>> [09:35am] jkomoros: ACTION: shepazu to approach Event Apart/John Alsup folks about doing a WPD docsprint
>>>>> [09:37am] desbenoit joined the chat room.
>>>>> [09:38am] jkomoros: ACTION: Alex to send out a doodle poll about a template-guru seminar
>>>>> [09:39am] jkomoros: shepazu: Ryan suggested maybe Lua to look into
>>>>> [09:39am] jkomoros: Topic: Tracking actions
>>>>> [09:39am] jkomoros: Garbee: There have been a lot of complaints about bug tracker being on separate domain and need a new account
>>>>> [09:40am] jkomoros: … so we should ideally bring on the same domain and ideally one with open ID/SSO with main site
>>>>> [09:40am] jkomoros: … bug genie has the ability to track just about anything we want to do with the project.
>>>>> [09:40am] shepazu: q+
>>>>> [09:42am] jkomoros: jkomoros: Want to make sure we're addressing all use cases (e.g. savvy admin changes down to drive-by questions)
>>>>> [09:42am] shaundunne joined the chat room.
>>>>> [09:42am] jkomoros: Garbee: Ideally we'd have a comment system that's plugged into bug system and automatically files a bug
>>>>> [09:42am] shaundunne left the chat room.
>>>>> [09:43am] jkomoros: scottrowe: Does that mean the comments from the wiki could be funneled into buggenie
>>>>> [09:43am] jkomoros: Garbee: Ideally, that's what I'd like. Since BugGenie allows different fields.
>>>>> [09:43am] jkomoros: shepazu: Does BugGenie have a write API.
>>>>> [09:44am] jkomoros: Garbee: Not sure. I'll look into this if we'd need to do custom work
>>>>> [09:44am] fr0zenice: ref: http://issues.thebuggenie.com/wiki/Category%3ATheBugGenie%3ADevelopment
>>>>> [09:44am] jkomoros: jkomoros: This will require a technical expert to be looped in, ideally Ryan
>>>>> [09:44am] jkomoros: shepazu: I agree mostly with what's been said.
>>>>> [09:45am] jkomoros: we do want to have people create accounts and join the community. I do want to lower the barrier for bugs.
>>>>> [09:45am] jkomoros: … the idea of having it somehow tie into comment extension interests me.
>>>>> [09:46am] jkomoros: shepazu: I think Ryan is supposed to be back not next Tuesday but the one after that
>>>>> [09:47am] jkomoros: ACTION: Garbee to flesh out the todo proposal, including wireframes, open questions, etc.
>>>>> [09:47am] jkomoros: scottrowe: I've noticed that sometimes I need to save on the wiki twice.
>>>>> [09:47am] Garbee: You may need to refresh the page by dropping the cache.
>>>>> [09:47am] Garbee: Edit tab > Refresh
>>>>> [09:49am] jkomoros: jkomoros: I noticed an out-of-order problem in the history this weekend
>>>>> [09:49am] Garbee: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19390
>>>>> [09:49am] jkomoros: Garbee: For session information, it's going to require at least a mediawiki engine update.
>>>>> [09:49am] shepazu: Garbee++
>>>>> [09:50am] Garbee: I had to combine like 4 bugs into that one session bug.
>>>>> [09:50am] Garbee: They were just annoying to see everywhere.
>>>>> [09:50am] jkomoros: jkomoros: Is there  way to make progress on hosting the wiki on github?
>>>>> [09:50am] jkomoros: shepazu: We could host skin on github in the short term.
>>>>> [09:50am] jkomoros: … this project is three or four different open source projects, which all have their own contribution paths
>>>>> [09:50am] jkomoros: … but there are a few things that we could put on GitHub this week.
>>>>> [09:51am] jkomoros: … I noticed there was a web platform on github. Do we know who that is?
>>>>> [09:51am] jkomoros: ACTION: Doug to make progress towards hosting skin on GitHub
>>>>> [09:51am] jkomoros: … we also want to host our extensions in a place where people can contribute to them.
>>>>> [09:52am] jkomoros: … and just to clarify, we're TOTALLY open to this
>>>>> [09:52am] jkomoros: shepazu: One last thing
>>>>> [09:52am] jkomoros: … some people had asked about changing the title for the pages in the wiki for SEO
>>>>> [09:53am] jkomoros: … I made an extension that does this, and it's ready to deploy when it will be least disruptive.
>>>>> [09:53am] jkomoros: … What I'm proposing as the title content is basically "<page title> : <topic-title> : WPD"
>>>>> [09:53am] jkomoros: "font-size : CSS : WPD"
>>>>> [09:54am] jkomoros: benoit: There won't be Web Platform in the title
>>>>> [09:54am] leaverou: q+
>>>>> [09:55am] jkomoros: ACTION: Shepazu to post a proposal to the list about the different options for title
>>>>> [09:55am] leaverou: q-
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com <mailto:jburdeki@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hi: I added an agenda item:
>>>>>
>>>>>     Content architecture meeting(s)?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>             J
>>>>>             ----------------------------
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>>>>>         julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         @adobejulee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     From: Alex Komoroske <komoroske@google.com <mailto:komoroske@google.com>>
>>>>>     Date: Monday, November 5, 2012 9:44 AM
>>>>>     To: "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>" <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>     Subject: Public TelCon Tomorrow, November 6th at standard time
>>>>>     Resent-From: <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>     Resent-Date: Monday, November 5, 2012 9:45 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>     Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>>     I wanted to give everyone a heads up that I'll be chairing the weekly telcon tomorrow (11/6) at 16:00 UTC / 12:00 ET / 9:00 PT. You can find tactical details about the meeting
>>>>>     at http://docs.webplatform.org/__wiki/WPD:Meetings <http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Meetings>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Agenda:
>>>>>     * Welcome
>>>>>     * Review of last week's action items
>>>>>     * Triage of new bugs
>>>>>     * Discussion topics (we'll see how many we have time for):
>>>>>        * Docsprint debrief
>>>>>        * Translations (hopefully with the right people in the call this time)
>>>>>        * Tracking bugs/actions with BugGenie
>>>>>        * A seminar about how we've wired up our intricate template system
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Please feel free to suggest more agenda topics that you'd like to discuss.
>>>>>
>>>>>     As a reminder, these meetings are open to anyone, although we especially value the participation of active community members.
>>>>>
>>>>>     --Alex
>>
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