- From: Sébastien Desbenoit <seb@desbenoit.net>
- Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 21:24:43 +0100
- To: frozenice <frozenice@frozenice.de>
- Cc: "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
Skype works perfectly for me from France. You just have to add the +1 before the toll free number. No charge, everything is ok. Le 6 nov. 2012 à 21:21, frozenice <frozenice@frozenice.de> a écrit : > Hmm, don't know about skype and international accounts / calls. Don't know about fees, never used it. :/ > > Maybe someone who knows can chime in. > > On 06.11.2012 21:13, Jonathan Garbee wrote: >> You can use Skype to call in and it should be toll free even using that. It is how I have been calling in the past two weeks. >> >> -Garbee >> >> On 11/6/2012 3:04 PM, frozenice wrote: >>> Have there ever been thoughts about switching the TelCon to VoIP? Tuning in from Germany I have two issues: telephone fees and voice quality. >>> >>> If we would use something like Mumble [1] then international participants wouldn't need to worry about their telephone bill and would be able to understand people more clearly >>> (anyone who tried Mumble has to love the voice quality there). I guess most people own a headset for Skype / Teamspeak / similar anyway. >>> >>> There are also free iOS/Android apps for Mumble, so people can still join if they aren't near a computer (provided they have a compatible device). >>> >>> If any folks want to give Mumble a try, you can connect to frozenice.de port 33445 (no password needed, Server is in Germany). You might need to bring someone to talk to along ;) >>> Else there's a server loopback test mode in your options. >>> >>> Mumble authentication (if someone wants to register) is based on certificates, you can also bring along your own valid cert you use for S/MIME for example, if not your client >>> will generate a self-signed cert. >>> >>> Mumble could also be used at anytime, for spontaneous meetings and such, maybe even some people like to hang around. >>> >>> Just saying, I think it would be nice, but that's just my opinion. >>> >>> [1] http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ (yes, it's open-source!) >>> >>> >>> On 06.11.2012 19:15, Alex Komoroske wrote: >>>> Great meeting today! >>>> >>>> Here are the action items: >>>> >>>> As a reminder, *action items are expected to be completed by the next meeting (Tuesday)*. >>>> >>>> ACTION: jkomoros to implement the above stuff about attributes >>>> ACTION: Paul to talk to Alexis about CanIUse data license and use on WPD. >>>> ACTION: Paul to do further investigation into feasibility of markdown tool >>>> ACTION: Peter to write up formal debrief of Adobe doc sprint >>>> ACTION: shepazu to write up a guide on how to do translations by hand and send e-mails to the list >>>> ACTION: shepazu to document how the translation workflow should work and send to the list >>>> ACTION: scottrowe to write up a proposal for flow-chart/organization of architecture >>>> ACTION: shepazu to lock it down so that only admins can move pages >>>> ACTION: Julee to set up content architecture meetings for the next few weeks >>>> ACTION: Scott to add the upcoming WPD Google hackathon >>>> ACTION: shepazu to approach Event Apart/John Alsup folks about doing a WPD docsprint >>>> ACTION: Alex to send out a doodle poll about a template-guru seminar >>>> ACTION: Garbee to flesh out the todo proposal, including wireframes, open questions, etc. >>>> ACTION: Doug to make progress towards hosting skin on GitHub >>>> ACTION: Shepazu to post a proposal to the list about the different options for title >>>> >>>> And here are the full notes: >>>> >>>> jkomoros: scribe: jkomoros >>>> [09:06am] jkomoros: Topic: Review last week's action items >>>> [09:06am] jkomoros: ACTION: Janet to propose a page where people keep track of what they're currently working on >>>> [09:06am] HammHetfield joined the chat room. >>>> [09:06am] jkomoros: jkomoros: Janet did do this >>>> [09:06am] jkomoros: julee_: No response to the thread >>>> [09:07am] paul_irish: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Current_activity >>>> [09:07am] chris9911 joined the chat room. >>>> [09:07am] jkomoros: paul_irish: There's a straw man there with an example. A few people chimed in on the thread, and that's as far as got. >>>> [09:07am] jkomoros: ACTION: jkomoros to explain use of merge candidate flag on the page. >>>> [09:07am] jkomoros: jkomoros: done, on WPD:Flags/Merge_Candidate >>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: ACTION: Garbee to write up proposal for tracking of TODOs on site and send for comment. >>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: Garbee: Done. >>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: ACTION: jkomoros to implement the above stuff about attributes >>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: jkomoros: Not done. I will plan to tackle on Friday >>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: NEWACTION: jkomoros to implement the above stuff about attributes >>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: OLDACTION: Paul to talk to Alexis about CanIUse data license and use on WPD. >>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: paul_irish: Incomplete >>>> [09:08am] jkomoros: NEWACTION: Paul to talk to Alexis about CanIUse data license and use on WPD. >>>> [09:09am] jkomoros: ACTION: Paul to re-open markdown syntax ticket and restart discussion >>>> [09:09am] jkomoros: paul_irish: Garbee reopened it and discussion.Discussion tracked along the lines of, "awesome to do client side, but we need to go in both directions." >>>> [09:09am] David_Bradbury joined the chat room. >>>> [09:09am] jkomoros: … We need to translate wikimarkup back into markdown, and that part is hard to do. Needs more exploration >>>> [09:09am] jkomoros: … I will do more exploration >>>> [09:10am] jkomoros: ACTION: Paul to do further investigation into feasibility of markdown tool >>>> [09:10am] leaverou joined the chat room. >>>> [09:10am] jkomoros: Topic: Docsprint Debrief >>>> [09:10am] jkomoros: PeterLubbers: Great event. About 120 people signed up. Only had space for about 50. we figured there would be a number of no-shows. >>>> [09:10am] jkomoros: … at the peak we had between 50 and 60 in the room. >>>> [09:11am] shepazu: (why markdown rather than wysiwyg?) >>>> [09:11am] jkomoros: … We opened 34 new accounts. Maybe 60-70% of new folks >>>> [09:11am] Garbee: Markdown is what most seem to like to write in more. I'd guess due to GitHub. >>>> [09:11am] jkomoros: … and a number of very experienced folks, including some with MediaWiki experence >>>> [09:11am] jkomoros: … HUGE thanks to Adobe. Really successful. >>>> [09:11am] jkomoros: … they provided breakfast, lunch, dinner, drinks, and the space. >>>> [09:11am] Garbee: We actually need to discuss that more, since I learned this week we can use some real HTML markup, so that would be the preferred way to go I think. >>>> [09:12am] jkomoros: … and nice shwag. T-shirts and some nice notebooks. >>>> [09:12am] jkomoros: … we have more t-shirts coming. >>>> [09:12am] cgoodman joined the chat room. >>>> [09:12am] jkomoros: … I'll do a more formal writeup >>>> [09:12am] jkomoros: … I went through all of the history logs, we go through over 800 committs! >>>> [09:12am] jkomoros: ACTION: Peter to write up formal debrief of Adobe doc sprint >>>> [09:12am] jkomoros: … lead of Sencha spent all day working on SVG filter documentation >>>> [09:13am] David_Bradbury: I'd avoid WYSIWYG if we can. We should encourage clean markup here just as we would in our actual code >>>> [09:13am] jkomoros: … we started at 9:30 and ended around 5, and majority were there the whole day >>>> [09:13am] jkomoros: … no major issues. No 503 errors, for examples. >>>> [09:13am] Garbee: WYSIWYG is actually needed. Since we want the lowest barrier to entry possible. >>>> [09:13am] jkomoros: … a number of developers wanted to be able to send pull requests for CSS/site >>>> [09:13am] jkomoros: … others wanted to make the developers more interactive. >>>> [09:14am] jkomoros: … last night one of them sent summary e-mail to the group. Cool prototypes--everyone should check them out. >>>> [09:14am] jkomoros: … for this hackathon, Scott Rowe created a doc sprint tracking sheet. It worked pretty well. People could claim the areas they were working on so they wouldn't >>>> step on each other's toes >>>> [09:15am] mike5w3c left the chat room. (Quit: mike5w3c) >>>> [09:15am] jkomoros: … definitely having a tool LIKE this is important for future docsprints >>>> [09:15am] Garbee: http://bit.ly/YDdTU2 --Link to spreadsheet. >>>> [09:16am] paul_irish: jkomoros: one of the guys there was an expert in mediawiki bots. he wrote one that looked at recent new/moved pages and flag ones that dont follow URL >>>> guidelines we set. e.g. if the HTML was uppercase, it'd flag it. He was gonna post to list but didn't just yet >>>> [09:17am] jswisher joined the chat room. >>>> [09:17am] jkomoros: PeterLubbers: Part of the point of these events is the on boarding process to get new people involved. >>>> [09:18am] mdel joined the chat room. >>>> [09:18am] jkomoros: topic: Translations >>>> [09:19am] jkomoros: jkomoros: At the docsprint, NotTomato found a lot of pages that were translations and flagged them >>>> [09:19am] jkomoros: shepazu: We wanted to have translations at launch. But the mediawiki extensions weren't suitable. They had a bad workflow and changed content around in original >>>> article. >>>> [09:20am] jkomoros: … The same people that helped us with comments extension and others, we've been talking with them about doing a translation extension. There are also folks from >>>> Wikipedia who are interested. >>>> [09:20am] jkomoros: … in the meantime we could simply allow people to create translations using the convention we're going to follow >>>> [09:20am] jkomoros: … so if someone would want to do a spanish article, they could take the original article, add a "/es" to the end of the URL and do a translation there. >>>> [09:21am] jkomoros: … to keep them current, we need to have an indicator on the main page about which translations are available, and on the translated page how recently the main >>>> page has been updated since this one has been page. >>>> [09:21am] jkomoros: *edited >>>> [09:21am] jkomoros: … and also a new UI. >>>> [09:21am] jkomoros: … we hope to have it started very soon. This is a common request. >>>> [09:22am] chris9911 left the chat room. (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) >>>> [09:22am] jkomoros: ACTION: shepazu to write up a guide on how to do translations by hand and send e-mails to the list >>>> [09:22am] jkomoros: ACTION: shepazu to document how the translation workflow should work and send to the list >>>> [09:23am] jkomoros: eliot: What happens with moved English articles? >>>> [09:23am] jkomoros: shepazu: Because they're all subpages, as long as you check "move subpages", which should be default, then it should work >>>> [09:25am] mstalfoort left the chat room. (Quit: kthxbai) >>>> [09:25am] jkomoros: jkomoros: We need to make sure that people know where to put articles >>>> [09:25am] jkomoros: shepazu: What about a wizard >>>> [09:25am] jkomoros: paul_irish: We could just have a bot flag these so admins can figure out where they go >>>> [09:26am] jkomoros: … I want the contributor to be able to contribute very quickly. Don't want them to have to learn about entire IA. >>>> [09:26am] jkomoros: … So I'd like a way for admins to be able to find new articles and move them >>>> [09:26am] jkomoros: scottrowe: I've looked into this. I've found our current URL architecture is very confused. >>>> [09:27am] jkomoros: … We haven't arrived at an agreement at how API should be built out. >>>> [09:27am] jkomoros: … I'm working on a proposal which I'll send out today >>>> [09:27am] jkomoros: *this week >>>> [09:27am] jkomoros: ACTION: scottrowe to write up a proposal for flow-chart/organization of architecture >>>> [09:27am] mike5w3c joined the chat room. >>>> [09:28am] fr0zenice: just checked, if someone did say that pages can only be moved by admins, that's wrong [sry the quality isn't the best, listening from germany :)] >>>> [09:28am] jkomoros: ACTION: shepazu to lock it down so that only admins can move pages >>>> [09:29am] jkomoros: julee_: This is why I wanted a con tent architecture meeting >>>> [09:29am] jkomoros: … so maybe once scott sends that out we can meet up >>>> [09:29am] jkomoros: … if we are able to document what the architecture IS, then we can reinforce it in the experience on the website, which will help people understand it. >>>> [09:29am] Garbee: fr0zenice, If it is wrong then we should address the permissions. >>>> [09:29am] jkomoros: … If we can have pages that are exemplary of a given type to point people to >>>> [09:30am] Garbee: They *should* be only movable my admins atm. Regular users should flag. >>>> [09:30am] fr0zenice: then we need to strip movefile / move / move-subpages / move-rootuserpages from Users >>>> [09:31am] jkomoros: ACTION: Julee to set up content architecture meetings for the next few weeks >>>> [09:32am] jkofoed joined the chat room. >>>> [09:32am] jkomoros: Topic: Vibrant use of events calendar >>>> [09:32am] jkomoros: eliot: Just wanted to make sure we get a calendar going so we have more than two items on there. >>>> [09:32am] shepazu: +1 >>>> [09:32am] jkomoros: … ideally we'd have a 3 month lead of conferences, doc sprints, hackathons. >>>> [09:32am] shepazu: q+ >>>> [09:32am] HammHetfield left the chat room. (Quit: HammHetfield) >>>> [09:33am] jkomoros: … I think that's a resource we can make use of >>>> [09:33am] jkomoros: jkomoros: Absolutely. Put things up as soon as you know they may happen. Mark as tentative before the date is finalized. >>>> [09:33am] jkomoros: ACTION: Scott to add the upcoming WPD Google hackathon >>>> [09:34am] jkomoros: shepazu: It occurs to me that we might want to co-locate a docsprint with a conference >>>> [09:35am] jkomoros: … or even emphasize conferences that are aligned with WPD, or that give a free ticket to a WPD memeber. >>>> [09:35am] jkomoros: eliot: Does anyone have a close contact at Event Apart? >>>> [09:35am] jkomoros: shepazu: We've talked to some of these folks, they're enthusiastic >>>> [09:35am] Salt joined the chat room. >>>> [09:35am] jkomoros: ACTION: shepazu to approach Event Apart/John Alsup folks about doing a WPD docsprint >>>> [09:37am] desbenoit joined the chat room. >>>> [09:38am] jkomoros: ACTION: Alex to send out a doodle poll about a template-guru seminar >>>> [09:39am] jkomoros: shepazu: Ryan suggested maybe Lua to look into >>>> [09:39am] jkomoros: Topic: Tracking actions >>>> [09:39am] jkomoros: Garbee: There have been a lot of complaints about bug tracker being on separate domain and need a new account >>>> [09:40am] jkomoros: … so we should ideally bring on the same domain and ideally one with open ID/SSO with main site >>>> [09:40am] jkomoros: … bug genie has the ability to track just about anything we want to do with the project. >>>> [09:40am] shepazu: q+ >>>> [09:42am] jkomoros: jkomoros: Want to make sure we're addressing all use cases (e.g. savvy admin changes down to drive-by questions) >>>> [09:42am] shaundunne joined the chat room. >>>> [09:42am] jkomoros: Garbee: Ideally we'd have a comment system that's plugged into bug system and automatically files a bug >>>> [09:42am] shaundunne left the chat room. >>>> [09:43am] jkomoros: scottrowe: Does that mean the comments from the wiki could be funneled into buggenie >>>> [09:43am] jkomoros: Garbee: Ideally, that's what I'd like. Since BugGenie allows different fields. >>>> [09:43am] jkomoros: shepazu: Does BugGenie have a write API. >>>> [09:44am] jkomoros: Garbee: Not sure. I'll look into this if we'd need to do custom work >>>> [09:44am] fr0zenice: ref: http://issues.thebuggenie.com/wiki/Category%3ATheBugGenie%3ADevelopment >>>> [09:44am] jkomoros: jkomoros: This will require a technical expert to be looped in, ideally Ryan >>>> [09:44am] jkomoros: shepazu: I agree mostly with what's been said. >>>> [09:45am] jkomoros: we do want to have people create accounts and join the community. I do want to lower the barrier for bugs. >>>> [09:45am] jkomoros: … the idea of having it somehow tie into comment extension interests me. >>>> [09:46am] jkomoros: shepazu: I think Ryan is supposed to be back not next Tuesday but the one after that >>>> [09:47am] jkomoros: ACTION: Garbee to flesh out the todo proposal, including wireframes, open questions, etc. >>>> [09:47am] jkomoros: scottrowe: I've noticed that sometimes I need to save on the wiki twice. >>>> [09:47am] Garbee: You may need to refresh the page by dropping the cache. >>>> [09:47am] Garbee: Edit tab > Refresh >>>> [09:49am] jkomoros: jkomoros: I noticed an out-of-order problem in the history this weekend >>>> [09:49am] Garbee: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19390 >>>> [09:49am] jkomoros: Garbee: For session information, it's going to require at least a mediawiki engine update. >>>> [09:49am] shepazu: Garbee++ >>>> [09:50am] Garbee: I had to combine like 4 bugs into that one session bug. >>>> [09:50am] Garbee: They were just annoying to see everywhere. >>>> [09:50am] jkomoros: jkomoros: Is there way to make progress on hosting the wiki on github? >>>> [09:50am] jkomoros: shepazu: We could host skin on github in the short term. >>>> [09:50am] jkomoros: … this project is three or four different open source projects, which all have their own contribution paths >>>> [09:50am] jkomoros: … but there are a few things that we could put on GitHub this week. >>>> [09:51am] jkomoros: … I noticed there was a web platform on github. Do we know who that is? >>>> [09:51am] jkomoros: ACTION: Doug to make progress towards hosting skin on GitHub >>>> [09:51am] jkomoros: … we also want to host our extensions in a place where people can contribute to them. >>>> [09:52am] jkomoros: … and just to clarify, we're TOTALLY open to this >>>> [09:52am] jkomoros: shepazu: One last thing >>>> [09:52am] jkomoros: … some people had asked about changing the title for the pages in the wiki for SEO >>>> [09:53am] jkomoros: … I made an extension that does this, and it's ready to deploy when it will be least disruptive. >>>> [09:53am] jkomoros: … What I'm proposing as the title content is basically "<page title> : <topic-title> : WPD" >>>> [09:53am] jkomoros: "font-size : CSS : WPD" >>>> [09:54am] jkomoros: benoit: There won't be Web Platform in the title >>>> [09:54am] leaverou: q+ >>>> [09:55am] jkomoros: ACTION: Shepazu to post a proposal to the list about the different options for title >>>> [09:55am] leaverou: q- >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com <mailto:jburdeki@adobe.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi: I added an agenda item: >>>> >>>> Content architecture meeting(s)? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> J >>>> ---------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com> >>>> >>>> >>>> @adobejulee >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Alex Komoroske <komoroske@google.com <mailto:komoroske@google.com>> >>>> Date: Monday, November 5, 2012 9:44 AM >>>> To: "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>" <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>> >>>> Subject: Public TelCon Tomorrow, November 6th at standard time >>>> Resent-From: <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>> >>>> Resent-Date: Monday, November 5, 2012 9:45 AM >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I wanted to give everyone a heads up that I'll be chairing the weekly telcon tomorrow (11/6) at 16:00 UTC / 12:00 ET / 9:00 PT. You can find tactical details about the meeting >>>> at http://docs.webplatform.org/__wiki/WPD:Meetings <http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Meetings> >>>> >>>> Agenda: >>>> * Welcome >>>> * Review of last week's action items >>>> * Triage of new bugs >>>> * Discussion topics (we'll see how many we have time for): >>>> * Docsprint debrief >>>> * Translations (hopefully with the right people in the call this time) >>>> * Tracking bugs/actions with BugGenie >>>> * A seminar about how we've wired up our intricate template system >>>> >>>> >>>> Please feel free to suggest more agenda topics that you'd like to discuss. >>>> >>>> As a reminder, these meetings are open to anyone, although we especially value the participation of active community members. >>>> >>>> --Alex >
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