Minutes, 3 June 2015 WebFonts WG call

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  http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-webfonts-minutes.html

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                 WebFonts Working Group Teleconference

03 Jun 2015

   See also: [2]IRC log

      [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-webfonts-irc

Attendees

   Present
          +1.408.536.aaaa, Vlad, ChrisL, +1.650.253.aabb,
          RSheeter, Khaled, KenLundeAdobe, kuettel, jfkthame

   Regrets
   Chair
          Vlad

   Scribe
          ChrisL

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]open issues
         2. [5]conformance requirements
         3. [6]Final F2F planning
     * [7]Summary of Action Items
     __________________________________________________________

   <trackbot> Date: 03 June 2015

   <KenLundeAdobe> +1.408.536.aaaa is KenLundeAdobe's phone

   <RSheeter> I might be

   <RSheeter> [probably]

   <scribe> scribenick: ChrisL

open issues

   [8]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open

      [8] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open

   Vlad: modify due dates for longer running ones

   action-148?

   <trackbot> action-148 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to Review and
   edit the conformance test for extraneous data -- due 2015-05-06
   -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [9]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/148

      [9] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/148

   changed to next wednesday after f2f

   action-168?

   <trackbot> action-168 -- Roderick Sheeter to Measure RAM usage
   for woff2 vs. woff1 -- due 2015-05-13 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [10]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/168

     [10] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/168

   RSheeter: not sure on ETA
   ... when do we need it by?

   <RSheeter> ChrisL: before we request candidate recommendation
   status

   ChrisL: mobile-freindly mentione din charter, we need this to
   enter CR

   Vlad: once spec text is finalized
   ... could be a bottleneck

   RSheeter: beginning of July

   19 August, 1200Z: Deadline for publication requests before
   moratorium

   20 August: Last publications before moratorium

   24-28 August: No publications

   1 September: Publications resume

   Vlad: soo we can publish during July or early August

   zaki, unmute me

   <RSheeter> ...can you hear me?

   action-176?

   <trackbot> action-176 -- Roderick Sheeter to Test hmtx
   transformation over google fonts corpus (how many lsb == x-min
   for all glyfs, what savings) -- due 2015-05-27 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> [11]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/176

     [11] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/176

   Vlad: we had comments on the daalton Maag dataset

   d/daa/Daa

   Vlad: good to get on the google font corpus too
   ... RSheeter ?

   <RSheeter> apparently I'm on mute somehow

   <RSheeter> I can hear you. I'll try the hmtx thing over Google
   Fonts corpus. I thought we were just going to accept Cosimo's
   results.

   Vlad: assuming those results are in line with the ones from
   Cosima, any objectiosn to modify the spec to add extensibility
   and then use that for htmx and vtmx transforms

   kuettel: would this be optional and thus backwards compatible?

   Vlad: yes for conformant generators; no for comformant readers

   kuettel: okay

   ChrisL: sounds god to me

   Khaled: may be an issue for multiple formats for different
   browsers. serving two flavours of woff 2

   Vlad: its an interim solution when browsers have 2.0 but not
   2.1, so rejects font
   ... this should be of short duration. it gives us extensibility
   down the line

   kuettel: worth noting we could not have done it in the past,
   but the regular update model for browsers makes this feasible

   Vlad: do not expect frequent updates for WOFF2
   ... this minimizes disruption
   ... proposes adopting proposal from jfkthame

   (general agreement)

   Vlad: needs additional spec text for the transform

   <scribe> ACTION: vlad to add the htmx transform to spec
   [recorded in
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-webfonts-minutes.html#action01
   ]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-178 - Add the htmx transform to spec
   [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2015-06-10].

conformance requirements

   need to weed out the untestables - authoring tools do then,
   browsers don't care

   [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015
   Jun/0001.html

     [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015Jun/0001.html

   use OUGHT TO from RFC 6919

   [14]https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919

     [14] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919

   The phrase "OUGHT TO" conveys an optimistic assertion of an

   implementation behavior that is clearly morally right, and thus
   does

   not require substantiation.

   although "WOULD PROBALY" also works

   The phrase "WOULD PROBABLY" indicates the authors expectation
   about

   what a reasonable implementation is likely to do in a given
   case.

   There is no requirement for implementations to be reasonable.

   <RSheeter> can we work in MAY WISH TO?

   Vlad: requirement to always produce the shortest encoding is in
   the same category. we ave a test on UA for this
   ... will flag if there is an issue with an authoring tool
   ... suggest changing to remove the conformance requirement

   ChrisL: agree

   action vlad to update conformance statements as per
   [15]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/201
   5Jun/0001.html

     [15] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015Jun/0001.html

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-179 - Update conformance statements
   as per
   [16]https://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-webfonts-wg/201
   5jun/0001.html [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2015-06-10].

     [16] https://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-webfonts-wg/2015jun/0001.html

   Vlad: hope we don't have more untestables. RSheeter please
   introduce your mail from just before meting

   <RSheeter>
   [17]http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF2/spec/#FileStructure

     [17] http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF2/spec/#FileStructure

   RSheeter: no-overlap, in terms of writing tests, a larger set
   of much more focussed requirements
   ... on a per-table basis

   <RSheeter> contrast with
   [18]http://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/#Metadata, which is very specific
   in its assertions

     [18] http://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/#Metadata,

   Vlad: WOFF2 limits the places where extra data can be inserted.
   betwwen data blocks only, very different compared to WOFF 1.0

   ChrisL: slight concern about ending up with a near-exhaustive
   list

   RSheeter: no need to remove current requiremnt, but add some
   specific ones

   Vlad: discuss at f2f

Final F2F planning

   Vlad: will set up a conference, no practical limit on
   participant numbers
   ... preliminary agenda will go out on Friday
   ... meeting on Tuesday and Wednesday

   (adjourned)

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: vlad to add the htmx transform to spec [recorded
   in
   [19]http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-webfonts-minutes.html#action01
   ]

   [End of minutes]
     ______________________________________________

-- 
Best regards,
 Chris  Lilley
 Technical Director, W3C Interaction Domain

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