- From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 22:47:14 +0200
- To: WebFonts WG <public-webfonts-wg@w3.org>
Minutes at http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-webfonts-minutes.html and below as text for trackbot WebFonts Working Group Teleconference 03 Jun 2015 See also: [2]IRC log [2] http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-webfonts-irc Attendees Present +1.408.536.aaaa, Vlad, ChrisL, +1.650.253.aabb, RSheeter, Khaled, KenLundeAdobe, kuettel, jfkthame Regrets Chair Vlad Scribe ChrisL Contents * [3]Topics 1. [4]open issues 2. [5]conformance requirements 3. [6]Final F2F planning * [7]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ <trackbot> Date: 03 June 2015 <KenLundeAdobe> +1.408.536.aaaa is KenLundeAdobe's phone <RSheeter> I might be <RSheeter> [probably] <scribe> scribenick: ChrisL open issues [8]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open [8] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open Vlad: modify due dates for longer running ones action-148? <trackbot> action-148 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to Review and edit the conformance test for extraneous data -- due 2015-05-06 -- OPEN <trackbot> [9]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/148 [9] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/148 changed to next wednesday after f2f action-168? <trackbot> action-168 -- Roderick Sheeter to Measure RAM usage for woff2 vs. woff1 -- due 2015-05-13 -- OPEN <trackbot> [10]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/168 [10] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/168 RSheeter: not sure on ETA ... when do we need it by? <RSheeter> ChrisL: before we request candidate recommendation status ChrisL: mobile-freindly mentione din charter, we need this to enter CR Vlad: once spec text is finalized ... could be a bottleneck RSheeter: beginning of July 19 August, 1200Z: Deadline for publication requests before moratorium 20 August: Last publications before moratorium 24-28 August: No publications 1 September: Publications resume Vlad: soo we can publish during July or early August zaki, unmute me <RSheeter> ...can you hear me? action-176? <trackbot> action-176 -- Roderick Sheeter to Test hmtx transformation over google fonts corpus (how many lsb == x-min for all glyfs, what savings) -- due 2015-05-27 -- OPEN <trackbot> [11]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/176 [11] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/176 Vlad: we had comments on the daalton Maag dataset d/daa/Daa Vlad: good to get on the google font corpus too ... RSheeter ? <RSheeter> apparently I'm on mute somehow <RSheeter> I can hear you. I'll try the hmtx thing over Google Fonts corpus. I thought we were just going to accept Cosimo's results. Vlad: assuming those results are in line with the ones from Cosima, any objectiosn to modify the spec to add extensibility and then use that for htmx and vtmx transforms kuettel: would this be optional and thus backwards compatible? Vlad: yes for conformant generators; no for comformant readers kuettel: okay ChrisL: sounds god to me Khaled: may be an issue for multiple formats for different browsers. serving two flavours of woff 2 Vlad: its an interim solution when browsers have 2.0 but not 2.1, so rejects font ... this should be of short duration. it gives us extensibility down the line kuettel: worth noting we could not have done it in the past, but the regular update model for browsers makes this feasible Vlad: do not expect frequent updates for WOFF2 ... this minimizes disruption ... proposes adopting proposal from jfkthame (general agreement) Vlad: needs additional spec text for the transform <scribe> ACTION: vlad to add the htmx transform to spec [recorded in [12]http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-webfonts-minutes.html#action01 ] <trackbot> Created ACTION-178 - Add the htmx transform to spec [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2015-06-10]. conformance requirements need to weed out the untestables - authoring tools do then, browsers don't care [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015 Jun/0001.html [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015Jun/0001.html use OUGHT TO from RFC 6919 [14]https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919 [14] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919 The phrase "OUGHT TO" conveys an optimistic assertion of an implementation behavior that is clearly morally right, and thus does not require substantiation. although "WOULD PROBALY" also works The phrase "WOULD PROBABLY" indicates the authors expectation about what a reasonable implementation is likely to do in a given case. There is no requirement for implementations to be reasonable. <RSheeter> can we work in MAY WISH TO? Vlad: requirement to always produce the shortest encoding is in the same category. we ave a test on UA for this ... will flag if there is an issue with an authoring tool ... suggest changing to remove the conformance requirement ChrisL: agree action vlad to update conformance statements as per [15]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/201 5Jun/0001.html [15] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015Jun/0001.html <trackbot> Created ACTION-179 - Update conformance statements as per [16]https://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-webfonts-wg/201 5jun/0001.html [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2015-06-10]. [16] https://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-webfonts-wg/2015jun/0001.html Vlad: hope we don't have more untestables. RSheeter please introduce your mail from just before meting <RSheeter> [17]http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF2/spec/#FileStructure [17] http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF2/spec/#FileStructure RSheeter: no-overlap, in terms of writing tests, a larger set of much more focussed requirements ... on a per-table basis <RSheeter> contrast with [18]http://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/#Metadata, which is very specific in its assertions [18] http://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/#Metadata, Vlad: WOFF2 limits the places where extra data can be inserted. betwwen data blocks only, very different compared to WOFF 1.0 ChrisL: slight concern about ending up with a near-exhaustive list RSheeter: no need to remove current requiremnt, but add some specific ones Vlad: discuss at f2f Final F2F planning Vlad: will set up a conference, no practical limit on participant numbers ... preliminary agenda will go out on Friday ... meeting on Tuesday and Wednesday (adjourned) Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: vlad to add the htmx transform to spec [recorded in [19]http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-webfonts-minutes.html#action01 ] [End of minutes] ______________________________________________ -- Best regards, Chris Lilley Technical Director, W3C Interaction Domain
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