- From: Chris Lilley <chris@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 22:47:14 +0200
- To: WebFonts WG <public-webfonts-wg@w3.org>
Minutes at
http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-webfonts-minutes.html
and below as text for trackbot
WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
03 Jun 2015
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-webfonts-irc
Attendees
Present
+1.408.536.aaaa, Vlad, ChrisL, +1.650.253.aabb,
RSheeter, Khaled, KenLundeAdobe, kuettel, jfkthame
Regrets
Chair
Vlad
Scribe
ChrisL
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]open issues
2. [5]conformance requirements
3. [6]Final F2F planning
* [7]Summary of Action Items
__________________________________________________________
<trackbot> Date: 03 June 2015
<KenLundeAdobe> +1.408.536.aaaa is KenLundeAdobe's phone
<RSheeter> I might be
<RSheeter> [probably]
<scribe> scribenick: ChrisL
open issues
[8]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open
[8] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/open
Vlad: modify due dates for longer running ones
action-148?
<trackbot> action-148 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to Review and
edit the conformance test for extraneous data -- due 2015-05-06
-- OPEN
<trackbot> [9]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/148
[9] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/148
changed to next wednesday after f2f
action-168?
<trackbot> action-168 -- Roderick Sheeter to Measure RAM usage
for woff2 vs. woff1 -- due 2015-05-13 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [10]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/168
[10] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/168
RSheeter: not sure on ETA
... when do we need it by?
<RSheeter> ChrisL: before we request candidate recommendation
status
ChrisL: mobile-freindly mentione din charter, we need this to
enter CR
Vlad: once spec text is finalized
... could be a bottleneck
RSheeter: beginning of July
19 August, 1200Z: Deadline for publication requests before
moratorium
20 August: Last publications before moratorium
24-28 August: No publications
1 September: Publications resume
Vlad: soo we can publish during July or early August
zaki, unmute me
<RSheeter> ...can you hear me?
action-176?
<trackbot> action-176 -- Roderick Sheeter to Test hmtx
transformation over google fonts corpus (how many lsb == x-min
for all glyfs, what savings) -- due 2015-05-27 -- OPEN
<trackbot> [11]http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/176
[11] http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/176
Vlad: we had comments on the daalton Maag dataset
d/daa/Daa
Vlad: good to get on the google font corpus too
... RSheeter ?
<RSheeter> apparently I'm on mute somehow
<RSheeter> I can hear you. I'll try the hmtx thing over Google
Fonts corpus. I thought we were just going to accept Cosimo's
results.
Vlad: assuming those results are in line with the ones from
Cosima, any objectiosn to modify the spec to add extensibility
and then use that for htmx and vtmx transforms
kuettel: would this be optional and thus backwards compatible?
Vlad: yes for conformant generators; no for comformant readers
kuettel: okay
ChrisL: sounds god to me
Khaled: may be an issue for multiple formats for different
browsers. serving two flavours of woff 2
Vlad: its an interim solution when browsers have 2.0 but not
2.1, so rejects font
... this should be of short duration. it gives us extensibility
down the line
kuettel: worth noting we could not have done it in the past,
but the regular update model for browsers makes this feasible
Vlad: do not expect frequent updates for WOFF2
... this minimizes disruption
... proposes adopting proposal from jfkthame
(general agreement)
Vlad: needs additional spec text for the transform
<scribe> ACTION: vlad to add the htmx transform to spec
[recorded in
[12]http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-webfonts-minutes.html#action01
]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-178 - Add the htmx transform to spec
[on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2015-06-10].
conformance requirements
need to weed out the untestables - authoring tools do then,
browsers don't care
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015
Jun/0001.html
[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015Jun/0001.html
use OUGHT TO from RFC 6919
[14]https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919
[14] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6919
The phrase "OUGHT TO" conveys an optimistic assertion of an
implementation behavior that is clearly morally right, and thus
does
not require substantiation.
although "WOULD PROBALY" also works
The phrase "WOULD PROBABLY" indicates the authors expectation
about
what a reasonable implementation is likely to do in a given
case.
There is no requirement for implementations to be reasonable.
<RSheeter> can we work in MAY WISH TO?
Vlad: requirement to always produce the shortest encoding is in
the same category. we ave a test on UA for this
... will flag if there is an issue with an authoring tool
... suggest changing to remove the conformance requirement
ChrisL: agree
action vlad to update conformance statements as per
[15]https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/201
5Jun/0001.html
[15] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015Jun/0001.html
<trackbot> Created ACTION-179 - Update conformance statements
as per
[16]https://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-webfonts-wg/201
5jun/0001.html [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2015-06-10].
[16] https://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-webfonts-wg/2015jun/0001.html
Vlad: hope we don't have more untestables. RSheeter please
introduce your mail from just before meting
<RSheeter>
[17]http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF2/spec/#FileStructure
[17] http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF2/spec/#FileStructure
RSheeter: no-overlap, in terms of writing tests, a larger set
of much more focussed requirements
... on a per-table basis
<RSheeter> contrast with
[18]http://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/#Metadata, which is very specific
in its assertions
[18] http://www.w3.org/TR/WOFF/#Metadata,
Vlad: WOFF2 limits the places where extra data can be inserted.
betwwen data blocks only, very different compared to WOFF 1.0
ChrisL: slight concern about ending up with a near-exhaustive
list
RSheeter: no need to remove current requiremnt, but add some
specific ones
Vlad: discuss at f2f
Final F2F planning
Vlad: will set up a conference, no practical limit on
participant numbers
... preliminary agenda will go out on Friday
... meeting on Tuesday and Wednesday
(adjourned)
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: vlad to add the htmx transform to spec [recorded
in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-webfonts-minutes.html#action01
]
[End of minutes]
______________________________________________
--
Best regards,
Chris Lilley
Technical Director, W3C Interaction Domain
Received on Wednesday, 3 June 2015 20:47:14 UTC