Minutes, 19 January WebFonts WG meeting

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                  WebFonts Working Group Teleconference

19 Jan 2011

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-webfonts-irc

Attendees

    Present
           Vlad, John, Cristopher, Chris, Tal, Sergey, Sylvain

    Regrets
           Dave_Crossland, Christopher_Slye, Jonathan_Kew

    Chair
           Vlad

    Scribe
           John

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]Last Call responses
      * [5]Summary of Action Items
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    <trackbot> Date: 19 January 2011

    Chris are you calling in?

    <ChrisL> yes, sorry I have another call back to back with this one

    <ChrisL> zakim seems to knot know the call started

    Vlad: can we recover previous minutes; Chris, maybe some

    <ChrisL> IRC log of last weeks call
    [6]http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-webfonts-irc

       [6] http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-webfonts-irc

Last Call responses

    Vlad: ref. Jonathan's proposal to resolve issue 8

    localisation of credit elements using multiple credit elements

    Tal: support

    Vlad: caveat that this causes bloat of metadata

    <ChrisL> [7]http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html

       [7] http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html

    <ChrisL> so that is 14. I18N-ISSUE-8: Direction attributes needed

    I18N-ISSUE-8 = WebFonts 14

    No objections; response to I18n assigned to Jonathan

    <ChrisL> ACTION jonathan to respons on issue-14

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - Respons on issue-14 [on Jonathan Kew
    - due 2011-01-26].

    ACTION Tal revise test cases to allow multiple credit elements

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Revise test cases to allow multiple
    credit elements [on Tal Leming - due 2011-01-26].

    <ChrisL> 9. I18n-ISSUE-2: Why not using xml:lang?

    Chris: propose XML:lang but backwards compatible option to allow
    lang

    <scribe> new content to use XML:lang

    Tal: will require test updates

    Vlad: should avoid allowing both

    Chris: agree

    ACTION Chris Respond to I18n-ISSUE-2

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Respond to I18n-ISSUE-2 [on Chris
    Lilley - due 2011-01-26].

    Wait for I18n response to proposals before Tal revises tests

    11. I18n-ISSUE-5: Use of attributes for human readable text [WOFF]
    [8]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0104.html

       [8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0104.html

    Tal: will change to credit elements help resolve this?

    Vlad: I18n also concerned that markup cannot be used with attributes

    John: can we version metadata?

    Chris: possible, but concerns about opening the door to version 2
    metadata
    ... but other concerns about I18n pushback

    Vlad: existing metadata acceptable in XML terms; how serious is e.g.
    markup in credits

    Chris: possible use case for markup in credit: ruby notation

    John: might I18n be satisfied with version 1 backwards compatible
    fixes + review for possible version 2

    Chris: maybe, but they might come back with 'Why not get it right
    first time?'

    Vlad: two concerns: localisation (already addressed, issue 8);
    inability to use markup.

    Markup need not anticipated, except edge case

    scribe: respond partial resolution (issue 8) but need to maintain
    backwards compatibility, ref. charter

    [issue 8]

    hmm, 8 + paren is emoticon

    General response to I18n: we seek to resolve their issues within the
    framework of maintaining backwards compatibility

    <ChrisL> 12. I18N-ISSUE-6: Localization mechanism too restricted

    [9]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0105.html

       [9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0105.html

    [10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0108.htm
    l

      [10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0108.html

    <ChrisL>
    [11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0105.htm
    l

      [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0105.html

    Possible use of ...lang mechanism for vendor, credit and licensee
    elements

    Vlad: what would happen to e.g. name attribute in vendor element
    with use of ..lang

    Chris: ask Liam

    ACTION Vlad Contact Liam re. XML questions

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Contact Liam re. XML questions [on
    Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2011-01-26].

    I18N-ISSUE-7: Paragraphs and inline content [WOFF]

    [12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0106.htm
    l

      [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0106.html

    Vlad: allow markup in text elements

    Chris: even if no, the spec needs to be revised
    ... add div and span

    ACTION Chris To provide samples and respond to I18n

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Provide samples and respond to I18n
    [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26].

    ACTION Jonathan To modify spec text re. div and span in text
    elements

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Modify spec text re. div and span in
    text elements [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].

    <ChrisL> Questions from SZilles (adobe)
    [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0001.htm
    l

      [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0001.html

    Chris: agree comment 1, suggest splitting introduction into two
    sections

    ACTION Chris Respond to Stephen Zilles re. introduction/normative

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Respond to Stephen Zilles re.
    introduction/normative [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26].

    ACTION Jonathan Remove normative statements from introduction to new
    section 'General Requirements'

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Remove normative statements from
    introduction to new section 'General Requirements' [on Jonathan Kew
    - due 2011-01-26].

    Chris: 2. Unique ID; incorrect, but will revise spec to clarify

    ACTION Chris Respond to Stephen Zilles re. uniqueid

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Respond to Stephen Zilles re.
    uniqueid [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26].

    Possible future action on Jonathan

    Chris: 3. confusion over possible presence of children of
    localisable elements
    ... unclear to at least two people, so text needs to be clearer

    Vlad: is that SZ's actual concern?

    <ChrisL> text content and child elements

    Vlad: modify, 'every time an element may be localised' add mention
    of children

    ACTION Jonathan Edit spec 'this element may be localised' replaced
    'this element may be localised using text child element'

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Edit spec 'this element may be
    localised' replaced 'this element may be localised using text child
    element' [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].

    ACTION Jonathan Edit section 6, past paragraph: 'at least one text
    sub element' replaced by 'at least one text child element'.

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Edit section 6, past paragraph: 'at
    least one text sub element' replaced by 'at least one text child
    element'. [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].

    ACTION Jonathan General replacement: 'sub elements' to 'child
    elements'

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - General replacement: 'sub elements'
    to 'child elements' [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].

    <ChrisL> Bert's comments
    [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0009.htm
    l

      [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0009.html

    Address in email

    SZ No.4 : repeat of conformance criteria in two places

    Make one informative and link to normative

    Chris + Vlad : possibly remove summary

    Chris: summary derivable, hence redundant

    Agreed

    Question to be posed on email in case of objections

    ACTION Vlad Enquire on email re. removal of summary of conformance
    requirements

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Enquire on email re. removal of
    summary of conformance requirements [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due
    2011-01-26].

    Vlad: travelling next week, so might not make call; discuss Bert
    Bos' comments on email; skip next week's call

    <ChrisL> next week canceled

Summary of Action Items

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