- From: John Hudson <tiro@tiro.com>
- Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 14:07:00 -0800
- To: WOFF Working Group FONT <public-webfonts-wg@w3.org>
Minutes at http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-webfonts-minutes.html
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WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
19 Jan 2011
See also: [2]IRC log
[2] http://www.w3.org/2011/01/19-webfonts-irc
Attendees
Present
Vlad, John, Cristopher, Chris, Tal, Sergey, Sylvain
Regrets
Dave_Crossland, Christopher_Slye, Jonathan_Kew
Chair
Vlad
Scribe
John
Contents
* [3]Topics
1. [4]Last Call responses
* [5]Summary of Action Items
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<trackbot> Date: 19 January 2011
Chris are you calling in?
<ChrisL> yes, sorry I have another call back to back with this one
<ChrisL> zakim seems to knot know the call started
Vlad: can we recover previous minutes; Chris, maybe some
<ChrisL> IRC log of last weeks call
[6]http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-webfonts-irc
[6] http://www.w3.org/2011/01/12-webfonts-irc
Last Call responses
Vlad: ref. Jonathan's proposal to resolve issue 8
localisation of credit elements using multiple credit elements
Tal: support
Vlad: caveat that this causes bloat of metadata
<ChrisL> [7]http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html
[7] http://dev.w3.org/webfonts/WOFF/DoC/issues-lc-2010.html
<ChrisL> so that is 14. I18N-ISSUE-8: Direction attributes needed
I18N-ISSUE-8 = WebFonts 14
No objections; response to I18n assigned to Jonathan
<ChrisL> ACTION jonathan to respons on issue-14
<trackbot> Created ACTION-57 - Respons on issue-14 [on Jonathan Kew
- due 2011-01-26].
ACTION Tal revise test cases to allow multiple credit elements
<trackbot> Created ACTION-58 - Revise test cases to allow multiple
credit elements [on Tal Leming - due 2011-01-26].
<ChrisL> 9. I18n-ISSUE-2: Why not using xml:lang?
Chris: propose XML:lang but backwards compatible option to allow
lang
<scribe> new content to use XML:lang
Tal: will require test updates
Vlad: should avoid allowing both
Chris: agree
ACTION Chris Respond to I18n-ISSUE-2
<trackbot> Created ACTION-59 - Respond to I18n-ISSUE-2 [on Chris
Lilley - due 2011-01-26].
Wait for I18n response to proposals before Tal revises tests
11. I18n-ISSUE-5: Use of attributes for human readable text [WOFF]
[8]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0104.html
[8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0104.html
Tal: will change to credit elements help resolve this?
Vlad: I18n also concerned that markup cannot be used with attributes
John: can we version metadata?
Chris: possible, but concerns about opening the door to version 2
metadata
... but other concerns about I18n pushback
Vlad: existing metadata acceptable in XML terms; how serious is e.g.
markup in credits
Chris: possible use case for markup in credit: ruby notation
John: might I18n be satisfied with version 1 backwards compatible
fixes + review for possible version 2
Chris: maybe, but they might come back with 'Why not get it right
first time?'
Vlad: two concerns: localisation (already addressed, issue 8);
inability to use markup.
Markup need not anticipated, except edge case
scribe: respond partial resolution (issue 8) but need to maintain
backwards compatibility, ref. charter
[issue 8]
hmm, 8 + paren is emoticon
General response to I18n: we seek to resolve their issues within the
framework of maintaining backwards compatibility
<ChrisL> 12. I18N-ISSUE-6: Localization mechanism too restricted
[9]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0105.html
[9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0105.html
[10]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0108.htm
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[10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0108.html
<ChrisL>
[11]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0105.htm
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[11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0105.html
Possible use of ...lang mechanism for vendor, credit and licensee
elements
Vlad: what would happen to e.g. name attribute in vendor element
with use of ..lang
Chris: ask Liam
ACTION Vlad Contact Liam re. XML questions
<trackbot> Created ACTION-60 - Contact Liam re. XML questions [on
Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2011-01-26].
I18N-ISSUE-7: Paragraphs and inline content [WOFF]
[12]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0106.htm
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[12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2010OctDec/0106.html
Vlad: allow markup in text elements
Chris: even if no, the spec needs to be revised
... add div and span
ACTION Chris To provide samples and respond to I18n
<trackbot> Created ACTION-61 - Provide samples and respond to I18n
[on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26].
ACTION Jonathan To modify spec text re. div and span in text
elements
<trackbot> Created ACTION-62 - Modify spec text re. div and span in
text elements [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].
<ChrisL> Questions from SZilles (adobe)
[13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0001.htm
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[13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0001.html
Chris: agree comment 1, suggest splitting introduction into two
sections
ACTION Chris Respond to Stephen Zilles re. introduction/normative
<trackbot> Created ACTION-63 - Respond to Stephen Zilles re.
introduction/normative [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26].
ACTION Jonathan Remove normative statements from introduction to new
section 'General Requirements'
<trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Remove normative statements from
introduction to new section 'General Requirements' [on Jonathan Kew
- due 2011-01-26].
Chris: 2. Unique ID; incorrect, but will revise spec to clarify
ACTION Chris Respond to Stephen Zilles re. uniqueid
<trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Respond to Stephen Zilles re.
uniqueid [on Chris Lilley - due 2011-01-26].
Possible future action on Jonathan
Chris: 3. confusion over possible presence of children of
localisable elements
... unclear to at least two people, so text needs to be clearer
Vlad: is that SZ's actual concern?
<ChrisL> text content and child elements
Vlad: modify, 'every time an element may be localised' add mention
of children
ACTION Jonathan Edit spec 'this element may be localised' replaced
'this element may be localised using text child element'
<trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Edit spec 'this element may be
localised' replaced 'this element may be localised using text child
element' [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].
ACTION Jonathan Edit section 6, past paragraph: 'at least one text
sub element' replaced by 'at least one text child element'.
<trackbot> Created ACTION-67 - Edit section 6, past paragraph: 'at
least one text sub element' replaced by 'at least one text child
element'. [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].
ACTION Jonathan General replacement: 'sub elements' to 'child
elements'
<trackbot> Created ACTION-68 - General replacement: 'sub elements'
to 'child elements' [on Jonathan Kew - due 2011-01-26].
<ChrisL> Bert's comments
[14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0009.htm
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[14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-font/2011JanMar/0009.html
Address in email
SZ No.4 : repeat of conformance criteria in two places
Make one informative and link to normative
Chris + Vlad : possibly remove summary
Chris: summary derivable, hence redundant
Agreed
Question to be posed on email in case of objections
ACTION Vlad Enquire on email re. removal of summary of conformance
requirements
<trackbot> Created ACTION-69 - Enquire on email re. removal of
summary of conformance requirements [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due
2011-01-26].
Vlad: travelling next week, so might not make call; discuss Bert
Bos' comments on email; skip next week's call
<ChrisL> next week canceled
Summary of Action Items
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