- From: Glenn Maynard <glenn@zewt.org>
- Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 08:28:38 -0500
- To: David Bruant <bruant.d@gmail.com>
- Cc: Alan deLespinasse <adelespinasse@gmail.com>, public-webapps WG <public-webapps@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CABirCh8R4uymGvPUD-KyJ_5rGu_8rJt2AFpRjNzEW4L7xt-+vA@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 6:52 PM, David Bruant <bruant.d@gmail.com> wrote: > Le 12/08/2014 00:40, Glenn Maynard a écrit : > > On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 9:12 AM, David Bruant <bruant.d@gmail.com> wrote: > >> This topic is on people minds [1]. My understanding of where we're at is >> that "ECMAScript 7" will bring syntax (async/await keywords [2]) that looks >> like sync syntax, but acts asynchronously. This should eliminate the need >> for web devs for blocking message passing primitives for workers. > > > Syntax sugar around async is not a replacement for synchronous APIs. > > I have yet to find a use case for hand-written code that requires sync > APIs and cannot be achieved with async programming. > I have yet to find a use case for hand-written code that requires structured programming and cannot be achieved with raw assembly. > > >> I personally hope it won't happen as it would be a step backwards. >> Blocking communication (cross-thread/process/computer) was a mistake. We >> need a culture shift. The browser and Node.js are a step in the right >> direction (they did not initiate it, but helped popularize it). >> > > The problem wasn't that synchronous programming is bad, the problem was > that synchronous code in the UI thread blocks UI, and the solution to that > is asynchronous programming. Saying "therefore all synchronous programming > is bad" is a very deep misunderstanding of the issue. > > If you block on workers, you'll mechanically need more workers. That's > what happened with Apache that was spawning more threads as more HTTP > requests were coming because the existing threads were busy waiting for > blocking I/O. > That's incorrect. If I want to perform one CPU-intensive task per CPU on a 4-CPU machine, I'm going to have 4 workers whether it's implemented sync or async. Not all software is a web server. -- Glenn Maynard
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