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Re: Should MutationObservers be able to observe work done by the HTML parser?

From: Adam Klein <adamk@chromium.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2012 12:59:09 -0700
Message-ID: <CAEvLGc+psrFf-dm5c_PVSME3MdCAJxPiFzpBdEkx-5injUeViA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc>
Cc: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, Mihai Parparita <mihaip@chromium.org>, Ryosuke Niwa <rniwa@webkit.org>, WebApps WG <public-webapps@w3.org>, Anne van Kesteren <annevk@annevk.nl>, Olli Pettay <Olli.Pettay@helsinki.fi>, Olli@pettay.fi, Rafael Weinstein <rafaelw@chromium.org>
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Jonas Sicking <jonas@sicking.cc> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Adam Klein <adamk@chromium.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch> wrote:
> >> The spec actually does require that the UA "provide a stable state" before
> >> processing <script>s, which invokes the relevant part of the event loop.
> >> If mutation observers were to fire during parse, it would require those to
> >> fire too (it currently does not).
> >
> > In my testing, Gecko doesn't behave this way: MutationRecords are delivered
> > at the end of any encountered <script> tags (at the end-of-microtask,
> > essentially), rather than before they run. If delivery-during-parse is how
> > we end up going, spec-wise, I think it's important for the use-cases that we
> > deliver before each script runs.
> Agreed. This sounds like a bug in our implementation. I filed
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=789315

As Olli points out on that bug, providing a stable state doesn't
perform a microtask checkpoint (nor invoke
MutationObservers). Given the note attached to the "provide a stable
state" section, "A synchronous section never mutates the DOM, runs any
script, or has any other side-effects", it seems that running observer
callbacks whenever asked to provide a stable state is unlikely to be
the right thing.

If the HTML parser is updated to enqueue mutations, it seems like
there also needs to be an addition to the steps run when inserting
preparing a <script>, unless Olli and I are missing something.

- Adam
Received on Friday, 7 September 2012 19:59:37 UTC

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