- From: Keean Schupke <keean@fry-it.com>
- Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 10:52:22 +0000
- To: Joran Greef <joran@ronomon.com>
- Cc: Jeremy Orlow <jorlow@chromium.org>, public-webapps@w3.org
- Message-ID: <AANLkTiku4pK5SqrJNavej0LtUBjfeJniThRMkJJtb5uc@mail.gmail.com>
On 31 March 2011 08:38, Joran Greef <joran@ronomon.com> wrote: > On 31 Mar 2011, at 9:34 AM, Jeremy Orlow wrote: > > > We have made an effort to understand other "contributions to the field". > > > > I'm not convinced that these are "essential database concepts" and having > personally spent quite some time working with the API in JS and implementing > it, I feel pretty confident that what we have for v1 is pretty solid. There > are definitely some things I wouldn't mind re-visiting or looking at closer, > possibly even for v1, but they all seem reasonable to study further for v2 > as well. > > > > We've spent a lot of time over the last year and a half talking about > IndexedDB. But now it's shipping in Firefox 4 and soon Chrome 11. So > realistically v1 is not going to change much unless we are convinced that > what's there is fundamentally broken. > > > > We intentionally limited the scope of v1, which is why we know there'll > be a v2. We can't solve all the problems at once, and the difficulty of > speccing something is typically exponential to the size of the API. > > > > Maybe a constructive way to discuss this would be to look at what use > cases will be difficult or impossible to achieve with the current design? > > Application-managed indices for starters. I would consider that to be > essential when designing indexed key/value stores, and I would consider that > to be the contribution made by almost every other indexed key/value store to > date. If we have to use IDB the way FriendFeed used MySQL to achieve > application-managed indices then I would argue that the API is in fact > "fundamentally broken" and we would be better off with an embedding of > SQLite by Mozilla. > > Regarding "the difficulty of speccing something is typically exponential to > the size of the API", if people want to build a Rube Goldberg device then > they must deal with the spec issues of that. > > If we were provided with the primitives for an indexed key/value store with > application-managed indices (as Nikunj suggested at the time), we would have > been well out of the starting blocks by now, and issues such as "computed > indexes", "indexing array values" etc. would have been non-issues. > > Summary: > > 1. There's a problem. > 2. It can still be fixed with a minimum of fuss. > I totally agree with everything so far... > 3. This requires an adjustment to the putObject and deleteObject interfaces > (see previous threads). > I disagree that a simple API change is the answer. The problem is architectural, not just a superficial API issue. Cheers, Keean.
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