- From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:21:22 -0400
- To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, public-webapps <public-webapps@w3.org>
Ian, All, On Jun 26, 2008, at 4:00 PM, ext Ian Hickson wrote: > On Thu, 26 Jun 2008, Arthur Barstow wrote: >> >> The IRC channel for this meeting will be [not #webapps] to facilitate >> removing any Member-confidential material from the IRC log. > > And this is why I object to there being a member-only mailing list. > > I think it's terrible that *even as a fully paid-up member of the > group* I > can't just leave my IRC client logging and get all the IRC activity > of the > group automatically. Surely you can log any channel you can join. > What could there possibly be to hide? It's not like people are > going to > say confidential things to each other, the people who would _most > benefit_ > from confidential information are the very people on the group who > would > hear it (the competition interested enough to attend the call). To provide others some context for your e-mail, here is a complete copy of this non-technical process issue I sent to the WG's Member- confidential list: [[ <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-webapps/2008AprJun/ 0015.html> As an employee of a W3C Member company and as a co-Chair of the Web Apps WG I take the W3C's Member confidentiality requirement very seriously. I also fully support all of a meeting's discussions and minutes being Publicly available *except* for any portion of the meeting that includes Member confidential discussions/disclosures/etc. It's great to see #webapps being used by the Public (=individuals from non-W3C Members) but that has a side-effect that individuals that are not W3C Members, and hence not bound by the W3C's Confidentiality requirement, could "see" member-confidential information in the meeting channel. The [off] logging mechanism can indeed facilitate removing parts of a channel's traffic from being logged (e.g. by krijn's logger). However, if a non-W3C Member is logged into the channel, then they can still read any confidential information that is entered into IRC i.e. there is a confidentiality leak. Given the requirements to: a) minimize the risk of leaking confidential information; b) to be able to record any member- confidential discussions that may occur, it seems like holding our meeting in a member-confidential channel is a reasonable approach (and then to publish all of the non-confidential information to the Public). Of course I'm open to other proposal that meet these requirements. ]] Although you apparently don't feel obligated to comply with the W3C's Member Confidentiality requirements [PD-Conf] (otherwise you would not have quoted my e-mail above to member-webapps on the Public list), I hope other WG members adhere to their obligation. Regarding "hiding" above, I want to clarify the types of Member- confidential information that is potentially relevant to discuss within the WG. In the past (=WAF WG), it was useful for the WG members to discuss Member-confidential information such as Charter discussions on the [Member-only] AC list and a couple of items from [Member-only] Chairs list. If by "hide" above you mean something like sharing a Member's private/ secret information, I don't think it is appropriate to discuss that type of information in a WG meeting. -Regards, Art Barstow [PD-Conf] <http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/ comm.html#confidentiality-levels>
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