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Re: ACTION REQUIRED: Call for Consensus: Proposed Process Change Regarding TAG Participation Rules; Respond by December 8, 2014

From: Olle Olsson <olleo@sics.se>
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:37:45 +0100
Message-ID: <548B27E9.1010601@sics.se>
To: public-w3process@w3.org
Well, we see the two perspectives:
1. define a framework that prevents undesirable things from happening, and
2. define a framework that detects when undesirable things happen, and 
react appropriately.

But we have also seen the perspective:
3. define a framework that prevents people from *suspecting* that 
undesirable things might be going on.

The third one is more challenging, as it relates to how people with less 
insight into the inner goings-on at W3C might begin to entertain 
conspiracy theories.

A lot of argument on 1 is seemingly also contributing to 3. Maybe a 
transparent solution to perspective 2 can also constitute a solution to 3.

In any case, it should be preferable to have as simple a framework as 
possible for managing the population of members in these boards.


Anyway, /post factum/, "I can live with the proposal"  -- if I still 
remember what it was ;-)
The phrase is, I believe, "I agree".

/olle


On 2014-12-11 15:04, Daniel Glazman wrote:
> On 10/12/14 20:09, David Singer wrote:
>
>> People are good but not perfect. In another context, I might think, 
>> for example, I am sensitive to racism and sexism but I am also aware 
>> I am, in fact, a white male. We seek diversity because of the 
>> unconscious biases, the blind spots, lacunae, and so on. I think the 
>> same is true here. Itís prudent.
>
> Sorry, I feel the argument of prudence is becoming a big burden at W3C.
>
> We are always so prudent we take years and sometimes decades to
> experiment, to implement changes. Nothing at W3C can happen in less
> than six months. It's also one of the reasons why we have the WHATWG
> around. Here, in the name of prudence, we are 'a priori' cautious of
> individuals instead of implementing a feedback loop that could detect
> such wrong behaviours and deal with them. We are so prudent we don't
> even trust the chairs of the TAG and AB to detect such wrong behaviours
> and take appropriate measures, including reporting to W3M for action.
>
> So sorry, I do NOT buy that prudence arguments for two committees that
> are advisory for the first one, and have the Director aboard for the
> second one.
>
> </Daniel>
>


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