RE: [discussion] Call for Consensus: Proposed Process Change Regarding TAG Participation Rules

No. I did miss something.
Virginie

From: Michael Champion (MS OPEN TECH) [mailto:Michael.Champion@microsoft.com]
Sent: vendredi 12 décembre 2014 17:35
To: GALINDO Virginie
Cc: Stephen Zilles; public-w3process@w3.org
Subject: [discussion] Call for Consensus: Proposed Process Change Regarding TAG Participation Rules

under section 2.5.3 of the current process document, changing employers already puts the seat held by a person up for ballot in the next election. Thus the condition " if the same-company-people-seating-in-TAG have more than 12 months to seat together in TAG" could never occur.  Am I missing anything?


On Dec 12, 2014, at 7:59 AM, GALINDO Virginie <Virginie.Galindo@gemalto.com<mailto:Virginie.Galindo@gemalto.com>> wrote:
I have been part of the ones arguing against any possibility to have 2 people working for the same company seating at the same time in the TAG.
I would be happy with a change mentioning that new election should be organized, if and only if the same-company-people-seating-in-TAG have more than 12 months to seat together in TAG.
As a conclusion, you can count me as "I oppose".

Virginie


From: Stephen Zilles [mailto:szilles@adobe.com]
Sent: vendredi 12 décembre 2014 02:57
To: public-w3process@w3.org<mailto:public-w3process@w3.org>
Subject: Results: Call for Consensus: Proposed Process Change Regarding TAG Participation Rules

I have the following "votes" cast for the proposal:

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Dec/0035.html
I am strongly in favor.
~fantasai

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Dec/0033.html

- My non-vote so far means that I concur with whatever consensus there is. I can live with either the status quo or the proposed compromise.
Michael Champion (MS OPEN TECH) Michael.Champion@microsoft.com<mailto:Michael.Champion@microsoft.com>

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Dec/0029.html

Count me in the "would prefer more but can live with it" category.

- Sam Ruby



http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Dec/0032.html

On 11/12/14 17:43, Sam Ruby wrote:

> Count me in the "would prefer more but can live with it" category.

Me too. A step in the right direction but we can - and IMHO should -

do more and better.

</Daniel>



http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Nov/0168.html

I agree with the proposed change.

Dan Appelquist



http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Dec/0022.html

It looks to me like there's more than 1 people supporting the proposed change, but there's so much noise that it's hard to tell if the others "don't care", "can live with or without" or are strongly opposed.

I am strongly *against* any change that would allow, on a permanent basis, many people from the same company. For the simple reason that even if we elect individuals and not corporations, I do not live in Candyland, and sadly, because of this, I have to take measures and act accordingly.

JC Verdie



http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Dec/0018.html

I am also strongly in favor of the change. It's a small but reasonable step.

Peter Linss



http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Dec/0016.html

I think I lean towards supporting the proposed change, although I

was more comfortable with the variant that circulated at one point

that had a maximum of two participants per member, even between

elections

L. David Baron



http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Dec/0015.html

> We also noted that even though many believed there was a consensus in favor of the proposed compromise (allow an "extra" person from a member until the next election is over) in fact only one person supported that in the CfC.

I thought I did and someone else, so if my response got lost, I apologize.

David Singer



http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Dec/0014.html

I would have explicitly agreed with the change.

Chris Wilson



http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Dec/0007.html

I agree!

Natasha Rooney



http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-w3process/2014Nov/att-0173/00-part

I disagree. (I'll start a separate thread to explain why).

Chaals MCN



So!! To summarize

1.       There seem to be 11 people who can live with the proposed change, and of these, 6 seem to actually support the proposal (the others can live with it).

2.       There is one objection.

3.       The Revising the Process Document CG has about 37 members so this is not a majority, but it is a strong plurality.

4.       People seem to have trouble following directions which asked for responses of the form "I agree" or "I disagree" (and should have asked for "I can live with it". They also asked that any discussion be moved to another thread (which did not happen). This made counting "votes" a difficult to impossible task.

So, by the rules of the CG [1] I do not believe I can declare Consensus, but I also believe that not doing so would be a frustration of the opinions expressed. I note that this vote is advisory, whether the suggested text should be placed in the next draft of the Process2015 document which is still to be reviewed by and commented on by the AB and AC. Given the AB has already endorsed this edit, I believe it should go into the next Process2015 draft.

Steve Zilles
Chair, Process Document Task Force

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