- From: Charles McCathie Nevile <chaals@yandex-team.ru>
- Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 02:07:57 +0200
- To: "Ivan Herman" <ivan@w3.org>
- Cc: public-w3process@w3.org
Hi Ivan,
On Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:50:30 +0200, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
> I had a look at the draft AB process document:
>
> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/AB/raw-file/default/tr.html
>
> First of all, thanks for doing this...
>
> I also have some minor questions/comments.
Thank you for taking the time to make them...
> 7.2 says that there must be a Director approval as part of the general
> requirement for advancement.
>
> 7.4.1.a, FPWD publication, refers to 7.2. This means that we need the
> Director approval for a FPWD. This is heavier requirement than currently
> (at this moment, transitions that require Director approval mean
> transition calls, and they are only CR/PR/Rec...).
>
> That being said, the current practice (process?) is that FPWD is
> approved by the domain lead, ie, he/she may have the delegated power of
> the Director in that case. But that is not documented in the process
> document as far as I could see. If this is the intention, it is worth
> specifying it.
Good catch. In my understanding, "director approval" is delegated for FPWD
without going through a careful transition call, while in other cases the
director tends to require a more detailed analysis.
I agree that it would be worth mentioning this detail, since I see little
evidence that it will change in the near future. I'll add some informative
text to the next draft (which should be done tomorrow sometime).
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> 7.4.3 says, as a first bullet item (to publish a W3C Rec)
>
> "- must republish the document, identifying it as the basis of a Request
> for Recommendation."
>
> First I presumed that what was meant here was the availability of an
> up-to-date editor's draft, which must be produced for the transition.
> But that is not considered as 'publishing', formally, so I am not sure.
> But then... here is what it says later in the section for all
> recommendations:
>
> [[[
> • The Director must announce the provisional approval of a Request for
> publication of a W3C Recommendation to the Advisory Committee.
> • The Advisory Committee review of the technical report must continue at
> least 28 days after the announcement of provisional approval to publish
> the Edited Recommendation as a W3C Recommendation.
> ]]]
>
>
> Does it mean that a document is published that is, for all good and
> purposes, the final recommendation, but the AC has a month to object?
Basically.
> In which case the document's status on the Web should say something like
> "this document has the provisional approval of the director but the AC
> may still oppose it", as opposed to the final document that says "this
> document has the approval of the AC". Meaning that the two documents are
> not identical before and after the AC approval. Isn't it what the
> current PR is all about? So why not calling a cat a cat?
The AB (before explaining themselves in public in any detail) felt that
removing the formal step of PR was a Good Idea. I'm ambivalent.
> The only difference seems to be that there is no need for a formal
> transition call to publish a Rec in the new process, which sounds fine
> to me although, truth must be said, that transition is usually a matter
> of an email these days, it rarely means a really heavy administration.
> Ie, the simplification is not significant...
Agreed, but I don't think it is harmful, and I would prefer not to do the
work of putting it back in. If you think it should go back in, feel free
to say so (or raise an issue)...
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>
> Just as a bike-shedding remark:-): I hate the term "Last Call Candidate
> Recommendation".
So do I. Having the words "Last Call" is meant to make a clear link to the
Patent Policy, since I didn't want to depend on changing anything there
for this new process to be implementable.
> Our process is already a bit opaque, but using such a term would make it
> even worse... Maybe some of you native anglo-saxons can come up with a
> better term! Of course, we can just call it, surprise, surprise,
> "Candidate Recommendation" :-)
I'd personally prefer "Last Call". (I like Aloysius as a name too, but it
might be too confusing for this particular bike shed :) ).
Again, if you would like us to seriously consider a change please say so
or raise an issue.
> (Do not take me wrong: I am all in favour of merging the current LC and
> CR in one step as a simplification of the process, I am just annoyed by
> the name...)
>
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> 7.6.2, classes #1 and #2 of changes: does it mean that the Working Group
> (or the team) is allowed to make changes on the documents directly, in
> situ, on the TR pages? Or does it mean that a new document is created
> (with a new dated URI) by the Working Group, which is then silently put
> up on /TR (maybe with a home page announcement)?
This text was inherited from the existing process document. I believe the
practice is that in the first case the changes can be made in situ
(although there is a difference between changing the invisible content of
markup and the actual text of a link, IMHO). I am not sure when the second
class of change would be made, but my inclination is to either remove it,
or require an Edited Recommendation rather than allowing in situ editing.
I will probably raise an issue on this tomorrow morning (I'm in Europe
time), because I think it should be clarified.
Again, thanks for your comments.
cheers
Chaals
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