- From: Paul Watson <lazarus@lazaruscorporation.co.uk>
- Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 18:00:08 +0100
- To: public-vocabs@w3.org, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com>
On 19/08/14 08:41, Dan Brickley wrote: > On 19 August 2014 00:08, Dan Brickley <danbri@google.com> wrote: >> As Paul Watson patiently points out, we're nearly done with the >> "culture bundle" sketched back in April, >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2014Apr/0051.html >> >> http://schema.org/workPerformed and with >> http://schema.org/docs/releases.html#v1.9 periodicals and workExample >> are now merged into the main site. Improving the description of visual >> works is the last piece of the puzzle. >> >> So, yes, let's try to wrap this up for VisualArtwork. > aka https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/VisualArtwork - I've updated it > to point to this thread. > > earlier discussion of open issues, > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2013May/0092.html >> I've just updated the old RDFS config, moving it from W3C Mercurial >> into a github branch, >> https://github.com/danbri/schemaorg/tree/sdo-visualwork >> https://github.com/danbri/schemaorg/blob/sdo-visualwork/data/schema.rdfa#L10199 >> >> I've copied the three RDFa examples in from wiki: >> https://github.com/danbri/schemaorg/blob/sdo-visualwork/data/sdo-visualartwork-examples.txt >> >> ... and updated the (now AppEngine-based) test site: >> http://sdo-culture-bundle.appspot.com/VisualArtwork >> >> This test build looks good so far. Here's what I see as obviously outstanding: >> >> 1. conversion of the examples to RDFa and Microdata, and fabrication of a >> "pre markup" simple HTML version. > Sorry, I meant to write JSON-LD - we already have RDFa examples. I plead jetlag! I've just added Microdata and JSON-LD versions of the existing RDFa examples to the Wiki at https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/VisualArtwork#Example_Markup I've never actually used JSON-LD before, so would be grateful if someone could check them for errors. Dan: I noticed that the first RDFa example at http://sdo-culture-bundle.appspot.com/VisualArtwork had accidentally included this first line: <syntaxhighlight lang="html4strict" line start="1"> This should be deleted from the example as it's part of the wiki markup rather than part of the RDFa example. > >> 2. artEdition >> >> Looking at the RDFS from last time I see I didn't create an artEdition >> property, in hope we could generalise it. >> >> Here's the definition from the Wiki, >> >> "The number of copies when multiple copies of a piece of artwork are >> produced - e.g. for a limited edition of 20 prints, 'artEdition' >> refers to the total number of copies (in this example "20")." >> >> And the example (which assumes the property exists), >> >> "<span property="artform">Print</span> from <time >> property="dateCreated" datetime="1962">1962</time> by Pablo Picasso. >> Numbered from the edition of <span property="artEdition">50</span>, >> each signed by the artist in pencil, lower right: Picasso.</p>" >> >> To what extent is this concept art-specific? Are similar counts used >> for other kinds of CreativeWork? > When we last discussed this, Paul suggested: "To avoid confusion with > the edition of a book, journal, etc we could change the property name > for the VisualArtwork type to editionSize to match the CDWA term?" > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2013May/0092.html > ... that looks like a good idea to me. Any thoughts from > bibliographiticians? > > 3. What does this mean for the existing Photograph type? "So my > proposal is for the 'VisualArtwork' Type to be used instead of > "Painting" or "Sculpture", and instead of "Photograph"" --- how do we > express this on the site? Should we make the new properties available > on Photograph too? My immediate feeling is that the existing Painting and Sculpture types should be marked as deprecated somehow - still valid, but discouraged from ongoing use. Photograph is a different matter - a photograph can be presented as a VisualArtwork or as something that is not a VisualArtwork (such as Forensic Photography, Medical Photography, etc.) My feeling is that we should indicate that artistic photographs should be marked up as VisualArtwork, while photographs in non-art contexts should be marked up with the existing Photograph type. Or publishers could use multiple Types. > > 4. Comics, another long-in-progress area. Many aspects of describing > comics are addressed by periodicals. But comics are also quite > naturally visual artworks. See recent comics-as-periodicals thread, > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vocabs/2014Aug/0169.html > > Specifically would it make sense for a single thing to be considered > simultaneously a ComicIssue per > http://www.w3.org/community/schemabibex/wiki/Periodicals_and_Comics_synthesis > draft, and yet also a VisualArtwork? Here's an example from the comic > discussion in periodicals wiki: > > <div vocab="http://schema.org/" typeof="ComicSeries"><span > property="name">TRUE BLOOD</span> > <div property="about">TRUE BLOOD chronicles the backwoods Louisiana > town of Bon Temps... in a world where vampires have emerged from the > coffin and no longer need humans for their fix.</div> > <div property="publisher" typeof="Organization">Publisher: <span > property="name">IDW</span> (<a property="url" > href="http://www.idwpublishing.com">http://www.idwpublishing.com</a>)</div> > <ul> > <li property="hasPart" typeof="ComicIssue">Issue <span > property="issueNumber">13</span> > <div property="author" typeof="Person">Author: <span > property="name">Michael McMillian</span></div> > <div property="artist" typeof="Person">Art by: <span > property="name">Beni Lobel</span></div> > <div property="colorist" typeof="Person">Colors by: <span > property="name">Esther Sanz</span></div> > <div property="coverArtist" typeof="Person">Cover by: <span > property="name">Michael Gaydos</span></div> > <div property="letterer" typeof="Person">Letters by: <span > property="name">Neil Uyetake</span></div> > <div property="editor" typeof="Person">Edits by: <span > property="name">Beni Lobel</span></div> > <div>Date published: <meta property="datePublished" > content="2013-05">May 2013</div> > <div property="hasPart" typeof="ComicStory"> > <span property="description">Jason discovers the reason for > Amy's sudden ability to go out in the daylight, but does > his best not to think about it. > </span> > </div> > </li> > </ul> > </div> > > Could this ComicIssue (issue 13) usefully have VisualArtwork properties? > > While we're at it, how would it look from an e-commerce perspective? > http://store.hbo.com/true-blood-comic-issue-13/detail.php?p=444005 > --- not entirely hypothetical, since that page has schema.org markup, > see http://any23.org/any23/?format=ntriples&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fstore.hbo.com%2Ftrue-blood-comic-issue-13%2Fdetail.php%3Fp%3D444005&validation-mode=none > > > I've a feeling we discussed this before but I couldn't find it in the > mailing list archive: do we consider the entire issue an artwork, or > just each page? I think we'd want to allow both levels of detail, and > we have everything that's needed for doing so. We now have isPartOf / > hasPart to use when multiple creative work entities also compose a > whole. And in the VisualArtwork design we can also indicate component > materials, e.g. > https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/VisualArtwork#Multiple_materials > describes the materials that make up Tracy Emin's > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Bed > > Dan > > Paul
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