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{agenda} TTWG Meeting 2017-05-18

From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 18:46:26 +0000
To: Timed Text Working Group <public-tt@w3.org>
Message-ID: <D53FB606.3F7F0%nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
This meeting is scheduled for up to 120m. Please be ready for a prompt start at 10:03am Boston time.

Our teleconference is scheduled with reference to Boston Time, the correct time of this teleconference in your locale may change.

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Thursdays 10:03am-12:00pm Boston local

Joining details:

see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2016Oct/0009.html

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Agenda+ Assign Roles

Chairs: Nigel Megitt

Scribe: usually Nigel – open to offers!

Regrets: Andreas, Thierry

Activity since last meeting:
See individual agenda items for recent activity on specific products

Cross-product TTWG board: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/
We are still using tracker for actions unrelated to issues.
Please do not add or modify issues in tracker!

IMSC: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse
TTML1: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse
TTML2: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse
TTML Profile Registry: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse
TTML-WebVTT mapping: https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse
WebVTT: https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse

Agenda+ Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead

Check-point for order of topics – I'd suggest, subject to reordering:
1. TPAC advanced planning
2. TTML issue assignment and progress tracking
3. TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions etc
5. HDR in PNG
6. Progress on HTMLCue proposal (placeholder)
7. WebVTT comments (placeholder)
8. AOB – please notify of any other AOB now!

Reminder re future milestones and meetings:

May Meetings:

Thursday 25th Mary: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)

Further ahead:

Thursday 1st June: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)
Thursday 8th June: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)
Thursday 15th June: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)
Thursday 22th June: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)
Thursday 29th June: TTWG phone meeting 2 Hour(s)

IMSC 2 and TTML2 publication events: see the timeline of upcoming work at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IMSC2_work

Agenda+ TPAC 2017 Advanced planning

As Chair I have completed the WBS survey, requesting:

Attendance for ~10 people.
No preference for date, meet on any two days.
Flexible about days.
Joint meeting with CSS WG and with Web and TV IG.
Avoid overlap with Web and TV IG.
Permit observers.
Not member confidential.
Estimate ~6 attending technical plenary.
Estimate ~3 attending AC sessions Tuesday and Thursday.


Agenda+ TTML issue assignment and progress tracking (20 minutes maximum)

We have a tough goal to resolve our open issues by the end of May. Please could you indicate for the coming week which issues you will be able to pick up and prepare pull request(s) for?

Additional sub-topic raised last week: process for assignment of issues to milestones.

New working practice: So that the Editor can move issues off the pile of things to do, and track progress, and so that the Group can continue to track things that the Group still needs to do, please use Milestones. Two new GitHub Milestones have been created: Editor's WR Worklist<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/milestone/2> and Group's WR action required list<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/milestone/3>. When Editorial work is complete on an issue, if there is still group work needed, such as confirming the disposition of a wide review comment with the commenter, the issue should be left Open and moved to an appropriate milestone.

Agenda+ TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions etc

Horizontal Review:

CSS Review of TTML2, threads: FW: TTML2 horizontal review with CSS<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0013.html> and Fwd: Subtitle/caption styling + TTML + CSS<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0019.html>

Internationalisation review by r12a has generated several new issues on TTML2 and comments on existing issues (see below), this week mainly about alignment with relatively recent CSS developments.

CSS 2.2 request for reviews from TTWG et al: Pre-announcement of CR for CSS 2.2 & request for reviews<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0017.html> When can we schedule a review and gather feedback?

ID      State   Title   Person  Due Date        Associated with
ACTION-443<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443/edit>     open    Prepare a document showing mapping arib ruby extension features to ttml2 for use as a liaison document to arib.<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443>   Glenn Adams     2016-08-26      TTML2<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4>
ACTION-462<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462/edit>     open    Create issue on ttml2 to add "mapping from other versions and profiles of ttml"<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462>   Glenn Adams     2016-04-28      TTML2<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4>

Most recent WD published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml2-20170106/

Merged TTML1 Pull Requests: None
Merged TTML2 Pull Requests:
Issue 0271 xml lang metadata examples take 2<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/307>
Modified tts:direction example (#262)<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/306>
Open TTML1 Pull Requests: None
Open TTML2 Pull Requests:
Issue 0219 text decoration inheritance<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/308>
Issue 0105 out of line region timing<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/309>
Issue 0178 lwsp in style expressions<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/310>
Issue 0186 value expression conventions<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/311>
New TTML1 Issues: None
New TTML2 Issues:
Typos in rubyOverflow example<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/304>
Closed TTML1 Issues: None
Closed TTML2 Issues:
Support for bopomofo ruby needed<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/253>
Use a more typical example for tts:direction<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/262>
Why not use elements for ruby?<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/245>
Interpreting the pixel measure<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/27>
Need parameter attribute to express resolved storage aspect ratio in ISD<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/162>
Need parameter attribute to express resolved storage aspect ratio in ISD<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/162>
writingMode example + upright characters<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/266>
Should background of a span be height of text in line or computed lineHeight?<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/101>
The tts:lineHeight property should apply to span<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/131>
Add ttm:mediaTimestamp (or equivalent) attribute<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/125>
It should be easier to specify direction for RTL script users <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/263>
Styling using tts:direction: there should be an `auto` value<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/268>
Metadata examples do not include xml:lang (editorial) <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/271>
Discussed TTML1 Issues:
Ambiguity regarding tab (U+0009) processing in significant whitespace.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/235>
Discussed TTML2 Issues:
Add examples of new features commonly used with Japanese content (2 of 2)<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/203>
Ways to make span background height be lineHeight<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/150>
How to specify aspect ratio to understand positioning that may apply for display or video<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/30>
Add support for adjacent background area merging<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/189>
How to space base characters where shiftRuby kicks in for group ruby?<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/258>
rubyAlign and wide ruby text <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/250>
The uniqueness of xml:id needs to be broken for some uses of condition<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/128>
Embedded graphics don't fully meet requirement<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/141>
Should we allow more overhang for Chinese?<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/261>

Focus topic(s) for this week

Open Pull Requests (50 minutes)

Can we reach consensus to merge the open pull requests or understand what changes are needed so that they can be merged?

Issues (remaining time)

(Please advise if you would like to raise any other issues for the group's consideration this week)

Inclusion of foreign namespace elements – is it only permitted on metadata elements, or anywhere? Do we need additional conformance language? See also IMSC issue foreign namespace usage is underspecified<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/213>

Consider applying ipd or bpd to content images<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/140> – can we agree what we want to happen here?

A PR was merged early (direct commit) for How to specify aspect ratio to understand positioning that may apply for display or video<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/30> - does this do what we need? Last comment on the issue was Jan 6. This now incorporates Interpreting the pixel measure<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/27>.

Given the recent discussions, are we in a position to propose a syntax and semantic to resolve Should background of a span be height of text in line or computed lineHeight?<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/101> in a way that can reasonably be contributed to CSS WG for their proposed equivalent?

AD Requirements

Given the discussion on Add support for Audio Description requirements<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues/195> do we need to review the AD requirements document formally?

See also: AD Requirements wiki page.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/wiki/Audio-Description-Requirements>

Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues and https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues
See spreadsheet of editorial actions at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx

Edit/build instructions now in README in ttml2/spec/ at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md

Agenda+ IMSC (now incorporates Unicode ticket)

The Wide Review period has now expired and we have received some incoming liaisons.

What are our next steps? We will need dispositions for the review comments, to Create tests for CR exit criteria<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/226> and set a CR exit minimum timeline.

IMSC 1.0.1 WD for Wide Review published at https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml-imsc1.0.1/

IMSC 1 Rec available at https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/

Patent policy call for exclusions sent 2017-02-03, archived at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html

Editor's draft is directly viewable at http://w3c.github.io/imsc/imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html

IMSC Implementation Page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_implementation_page.

Unicode CLDR discussion
Unicode ticket is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915

Pierre's response to the recent update is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915#comment:9

Email response from Shervin at Unicode https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html

Merged pull requests: none
Open pull requests: None
New or discussed issues:
ittp:activeArea clarification<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/227>
Determination of the color in leading in tts:fillLineGap<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/228>
Closed issues: None

Agenda+ HDR in PNG

ID      State   Title   Person  Due Date        Associated with
ACTION-495<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/495>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/495/edit>     open    Update the ttwg homepage and publications pages for the new repos<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/495> Thierry Michel  2017-04-20

Repo for PQ HDR in PNG: https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq
Draft WG Note: https://w3c.github.io/png-hdr-pq/

Merged pull requests: none
Open pull requests: None
New or discussed issues: None
Closed issues: None

Agenda+ HTMLCue proposal progress update.

ID      State   Title   Person  Due Date        Associated with
ACTION-441<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441/edit>     open    Kick off the analysis work on the vttcue carrying html idea.<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/441>      Andreas Tai     2015-11-05

See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Apr/0012.html for further information on this, this week.

Also HTML import and HTMLCue?<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Sep/0003.html> email from 2016-09-06.

[placeholder agenda item]

Agenda+ WebVTT review feedback

ID      State   Title   Person  Due Date        Associated with
ACTION-396<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396/edit>     open    Produce evidence of request for wide review for webvtt, for the archive<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396>   David Singer    2015-04-17      WebVTT 1.0<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/8>

Discussion on WebVTT review feedback and next steps.

WebVTT Wide review wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review

Open Pull requests:
Add requirements for region identifier to exist.<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/201>
Ruby issue264<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/347>
Merged Pull requests: None
New issues: None
Closed issues: None
Recently discussed issues:
incomplete ruby implementation [I18N-ISSUE-431]<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/264>

Agenda+ AOB


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