- From: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
- Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 14:11:29 +0000
- To: TTWG <public-tt@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <D656E586.508D1%nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>
This meeting is scheduled for up to 120m. Please be ready for a prompt start at 10:03am Boston time. Our teleconference is scheduled with reference to Boston Time, the correct time of this teleconference in your locale may change. Check https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20171214T10&p1=43 Thursdays 10:03am-12:00pm Boston local Joining details: see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2016Oct/0009.html (members-only link – if you can't see this and wish to join please contact me) Agenda+ Assign Roles Chairs: Nigel Megitt Scribe: usually Nigel – open to offers! Regrets: Andreas, Thierry Activity since last meeting: See individual agenda items for recent activity on specific products Cross-product TTWG board: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/ We are still using tracker for actions unrelated to issues. Please do not add or modify issues in tracker! IMSC: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse TTML1: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse TTML2: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse TTML Profile Registry: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse TTML-WebVTT mapping: https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse WebVTT: https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse Agenda+ Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead Check-point for order of topics – I'd suggest, subject to reordering: 1. Next Face to Face meeting 2. IMSC 1.1, TTML2, features, namespaces etc 3. TTML2 processor behaviour vs TTML1 4. TTML2 Wide & Horizontal Review 5. IMSC including vNext requirements Note publication proposal 6. TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions etc 7. WebVTT feedback (David Singer to Chair if present) 8. HDR in PNG (placeholder) 9. AOB – please notify of any other AOB now! Reminder re future milestones and meetings: December meetings: Thursday 21st December: No meeting? Thursday 28th December: No meeting? IMSC 2 and TTML2 publication events: see the timeline of upcoming work at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IMSC2_work Further ahead: Thursday 4th January: TTWG meeting ? Hour(s) Tuesday 9th and Wednesday 10th January: F2F meeting ? Thursday 18th January: TTWG meeting ? Hour(s) Thursday 25th January: TTWG meeting ? Hour(s) Agenda+ Next Face to Face meeting Results of WBS survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34314/early2018ttwgf2fplanning/results Confirm location of 9-10 Jan face to face meeting. Agenda+ IMSC 1.1, TTML2, features, namespaces etc Continuing extensive discussion on the email reflector concerning Netflix's objection to the proposals agreed at TPAC, to look for solutions that are acceptable to all, by understanding members' concerns better. Netflix objection: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Nov/0107.html Check current status and any changes in position; Clarify timeline and next steps to resolve. Note also Cyril's work to analyse the actual practical differences – is this complete? If it is, can we address the specifics to understand the alignment/mis-alignment? Are there any resulting actions? <https://docs..google.com/document/d/1Ri7RBBsbIK9SRxA1KsHRejXbYBuL4CRRrbmEZRbwZpg/edit?usp=sharing>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri7RBBsbIK9SRxA1KsHRejXbYBuL4CRRrbmEZRbwZpg/edit?usp=sharing Agenda+ TTML2 processor behaviour vs TTML1 Actions ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with ACTION-510<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/510>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/510/edit> pending review study TTT codebase and report on use of ttp:version to select processor behavior<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/510> Glenn Adams 2017-11-23 TTML2<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4> Agenda+ TTML2 Wide and Horizontal Review Actions ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with ACTION-508<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/508>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/508/edit> open Check if there are editorial/substantive labels for ttml2 issues and add if not.<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/508> Thierry Michel 2017-10-12 TTML2<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4> Can the above action be closed? Are there still open Internationalisation review issues? Agenda+ CSS actions review Are CSS issues filed for all style attributes for which we believe CSS work is needed? See also https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Nov/0109.html CSS WG review Minutes from TTWG and CSS WG joint meeting at TPAC: https://www.w3.org/2017/11/09-tt-minutes.html#item35 Minutes from CSS WG Paris F2F that Nigel attended remotely on Friday 4th August: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Sep/0000.html This is at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/CSSRequirements TAG design review issue: https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/138 CSS Review of TTML2, threads: FW: TTML2 horizontal review with CSS<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0013.html> and Fwd: Subtitle/caption styling + TTML + CSS<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0019.html> CSS 2.2 request for reviews from TTWG et al: Pre-announcement of CR for CSS 2.2 & request for reviews<https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0017.html> When can we schedule a review and gather feedback? Agenda+ IMSC (now incorporates Unicode ticket) Actions ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with ACTION-509<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/509>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/509/edit> open Propose liaison text for the imsc 1.1 fpwd<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/509> Pierre-Anthony Lemieux 2017-10-12 TTML IMSC 2.0<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/10> Links IMSC Tests released as v1.0.0 at https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/releases/tag/v1.0.0 . IMSC 1.0.1 IMSC 1.0.1 CR published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/CR-ttml-imsc1.0.1-20170713/ IMSC 1.0.1 Implementation report at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_0_1_Implementation_Report IMSC 1 Rec available at https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/ Patent policy call for exclusions sent 2017-02-03, archived at https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html Editor's draft is directly viewable at http://w3c.github.io/imsc/imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html IMSC Implementation Page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_implementation_page. IMSC Tests repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests vNext Requirements IMSCvNext Requirements editor's draft: https://w3c.github.io/imsc-vnext-reqs/ IMSCvNext Requirements repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs IMSC 1.1 FPWD: https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml-imsc1.1-20171017/ Unicode CLDR discussion Unicode ticket is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915 Pierre's response to the recent update is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915#comment:9 Email response from Shervin at Unicode https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html Recent Activity Merged IMSC pull requests: None Open IMSC pull requests: Clarify that tts:fillLineGap does not hide characters<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/283> New or discussed IMSC issues: None Closed IMSC issues: None Merged IMSC Tests pull requests: None Open IMSC Tests pull requests: Adds test for linePadding w varying fontSize<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/pull/39> New or discussed IMSC Tests issues: None Closed IMSC Tests issues: None Merged IMSCvNext Requirements pull requests: None Open IMSCvNext Requirements pull requests: List features that are excluded from deprecation requirements<https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/pull/12> New or discussed IMSCvNext Requirements issues: None Closed IMSCvNext Requirements issues: None Agenda sub-topics (pull requests and issues) PROPOSAL: Publish IMSC v1.1 Requirements as a WG Note IMSC issues labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/labels/agenda : Clarify that tts:fillLineGap does not hide characters<https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/283> Should itts:forcedDisplay be deprecated? <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/279> Should ebutts:linePadding be deprecated? <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/278> Should ebutts:multiRowAlign be deprecated? <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/277> Should itts:fillLineGap be deprecated? <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/276> Should ittp:activeArea be deprecated? <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/275> ttp:displayAspectRatio is prohibited <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/273> Deprecation of smpte:backgroundImage in favor of tt:image <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/259> What fillLineGap does/ affects <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/254> IMSC Requirements issues labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/labels/agenda : Specify deprecation model <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/14> is tts:textShadow required? <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/13> List features that are excluded from deprecation requirements <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/pull/12> List features that are excluded from Requirement 1.3 <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/11> IMSC issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/labels/blocked IMSC Requirements issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/labels/blocked Agenda+ TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions etc Actions: ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with ACTION-443<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443/edit> open Prepare a document showing mapping arib ruby extension features to ttml2 for use as a liaison document to arib.<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443> Glenn Adams 2016-08-26 TTML2<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4> ACTION-462<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462/edit> open Create issue on ttml2 to add "mapping from other versions and profiles of ttml"<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462> Glenn Adams 2016-04-28 TTML2<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4> Links Most recent WD published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml2-20170630/ Recent Activity Merged TTML1 Pull Requests: Clarified tts:textDecoration inheritance<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/267> Clarify semantics in absence of begin attribute<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/264> Replaced ttp:frameRateMultipler with ttp:frameRateMultiplier<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/263> Clarified cell metrics semantics for tts:textOutline<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/268> Clarify zIndex stacking context<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/259> Tweak examples of Section O<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/257> Fixed EOLs to LF under /spec<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/274> Clarified TAB character presentation semantics<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/258> Clarify #backgroundColor re: block, inline and region semantics<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/256> Improve and fix Travis integration<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/278> Travis CO deployment<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/272> Merged TTML2 Pull Requests: None Open TTML1 Pull Requests: Clarified application of tts:visibility to child elements<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/270> <set> elements no longer pruned by ISD<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/276> Clarify that the computed value of tts:lineHeight='normal' is 'normal'<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/260> Update for PR #260 to resolve #220.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/277> Specify semantics of fontSize in 'em' on region<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/279> Fix rgba typo in 8.3.2<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/280> Clarify percentage units in padding specification<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/281> Remove CVS files and rendered zip files<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/282> Deprecate offset-time and fraction component in smpte time base<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/283> Added fractional time semantics to Annex N.2<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/284> Fixed typo at genericFamilyName<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/285> Deprecate leap seconds in media time<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/286> Add note re: semantics of circular actor references<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/287> Clarify [associate region] algorithm<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/288> Open TTML2 Pull Requests: Issue 0406 style semantics <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/470> Fix gamma to 2.0<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/497> Coalesce references to URI syntax into a new <uri> value expression (…<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/488> Add clipBegin and clipEnd parameter attributes<https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/486> New TTML1 Issues: Push to gh-pages with an ssh key<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/271> Some repo files have CRLF EOLs<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/273> Chained Referential Styling spec vs example mismatch<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/275> New TTML2 Issues: None Closed TTML1 Issues: Clarify #backgroundColor regarding inclusion of block, inline, region semantics.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/255> Ambiguity regarding tab (U+0009) processing in significant whitespace.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/235> Some repo files have CRLF EOLs<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/273> Examples in section O use an unusual tts:displayAlign setting<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/254> Paint-On example improvement.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/225> tts:zIndex does not specify the root container zIndex value when "auto" is not specified<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/241> Use of cell metric in tts:textOutline.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/218> ttp:frameRateMultiplier typo<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/236> No begin times in Pop-On example in Appendix O.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/224> Step 10.4.4.2(6)(a) does not apply to textDecoration.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/219> Push to gh-pages with an ssh key<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/271> Closed TTML2 Issues: None Discussed TTML1 Issues: <set> elements no longer pruned by ISD<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/276> Clarify the semantics of tts:fontSize="2em".<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/214> Computed value of lineHeight and inheritance.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/220> Two value percentage fontSize not fully defined.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/215> Agent and actor circular references.<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/201> Clarify that the computed value of tts:lineHeight='normal' is 'normal'<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/260> tts:overflow does not apply to the region area<https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/239> Discussed TTML2 Issues: None Agenda sub-topics (pull requests and issues) TTML1 issues labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/agenda : tts:overflow does not apply to the region area <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/239> Clarify that the computed value of tts:lineHeight='normal' is 'normal' <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/260> Deprecate offset-time and fraction component in smpte time base <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/283> Deprecate leap seconds in media time <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/286> Then remaining pull requests and issues. TTML1 issues labelled for the agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/agenda TTML1 issues blocked: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/blocked Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues and https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues See spreadsheet of editorial actions at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx Edit/build instructions now in README in ttml2/spec/ at https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md Agenda+ WebVTT review feedback ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with ACTION-396<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396/edit> open Produce evidence of request for wide review for webvtt, for the archive<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396> David Singer 2015-04-17 WebVTT 1.0<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/8> ACTION-502<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/502>[(edit)]<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/502/edit> open Explain to david that we need a more consistent disposition of comments for webvtt.<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/502> Thierry Michel 2017-08-10 WebVTT 1.0<https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/8> Links WebVTT Wide review wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review Activity Open Pull requests: Class override<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/418> Timeranges <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/419> Cue setting clarifications <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/420> Add a "User agents that do not support CSS" conformance class.<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/389> Region clarification issue376<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/400> Add a paragraph about the reasons why limiting styles.<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/410> Add some introductory paragraphs to the Data model section.<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/409> Merged Pull requests: Add some explanatory text about the different types of VTT files.<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/394> New issues: None Closed issues: Wide Review Comment 2017: Timestamp syntax<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/370> Wide Review Comment 2017: line cue setting direction<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/382> CSS support should be optional<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/260> Wide Review Comment 2017: Term definition with empty content<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/364> Wide Review Comment 2017: Distinction between cue payload types<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/363> Wide Review Comment 2017: Text color must be mandatory<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/365> Recently discussed issues: Wide Review Comment 2017: Conformance Classes not complete<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/361> Data model definition of WebVTT cue <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/416> Wide Review Comment 2017: Use of lines as positioning constructs<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/378> Wide Review Comment 2017: positioning model<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/383> Wide Review Comment 2017: default font size and line heights<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/371> Wide Review Comment 2017: Algorithmic specification<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/384> Wide Review Comment 2017: default background colour<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/372> Wide Review Comment 2017: position and size reference is video or video viewport?<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/375> Unclear definition of time range<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/415> Region clarification issue376<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/400> Add a paragraph about the reasons why limiting styles.<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/410> Add some introductory paragraphs to the Data model section.<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/409> Add a "User agents that do not support CSS" conformance class.<https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/389> Agenda+ HDR in PNG [placeholder agenda item] Links We published this Note at https://www.w3.org/TR/png-hdr-pq/ (republished 25th July incorporating fix for typo) Repo for PQ HDR in PNG: https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq Draft WG Note: https://w3c.github.io/png-hdr-pq/ Activity Merged pull requests: None Open pull requests: None New or discussed issues: None Closed issues: None Agenda+ AOB References Wiki http://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText ---------------------------- http://www.bbc.co.uk This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. 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