- From: Thierry MICHEL <tmichel@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 08:57:56 +0100
- To: Nigel Megitt <nigel.megitt@bbc.co.uk>, TTWG <public-tt@w3.org>
Nigel, Could you please add to the agenda the charter renewal. A few weeks ago, I had started to edit charter draft using the latest W3C template. https://github.com/w3c/charter-timed-text/blob/gh-pages/Draft-2018-TTWG-Charter.html and btw, no regrets for me this week. Thierry On 13/12/2017 15:11, Nigel Megitt wrote: > *This meeting is scheduled for up to 120m. Please be ready for a prompt > start at 10:03am Boston time. * > > Our teleconference is scheduled with reference to Boston Time, the > correct time of this teleconference in your locale may change. > Check > https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20171214T10&p1=43 > > Thursdays 10:03am-12:00pm Boston local > *Joining details: * > > see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-tt/2016Oct/0009.html > (members-only link – if you can't see this and wish to join please > contact me) > > *Agenda+ Assign Roles* > > *Chairs: *Nigel Megitt > > *Scribe:* usually Nigel – open to offers! > > *Regrets: *Andreas, Thierry > > *Activity since last meeting:*** > See individual agenda items for recent activity on specific products > > > Cross-product TTWG board: http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/board/ > > *We are still using tracker for /actions/ unrelated to issues.* > *Please do not add or modify /issues/ in tracker!* > > > IMSC: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pulse > TTML1: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pulse > TTML2: https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pulse > TTML Profile Registry: https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry/pulse > TTML-WebVTT mapping: https://github.com/w3c/ttml-webvtt-mapping/pulse > > WebVTT:**https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pulse > > *Agenda+ Prioritise discussion for this meeting and look ahead* > * > * > Check-point for order of topics – I'd suggest, subject to reordering: > 1. Next Face to Face meeting > 2. IMSC 1.1, TTML2, features, namespaces etc > 3. TTML2 processor behaviour vs TTML1 > 4. TTML2 Wide & Horizontal Review > 5. IMSC including vNext requirements Note publication proposal > 6. TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions etc > 7. WebVTT feedback (David Singer to Chair if present) > 8. HDR in PNG (placeholder) > 9. AOB – please notify of any other AOB now! > > > > Reminder re future milestones and meetings: > > _December meetings:_ > _ > _ > Thursday 21st December: No meeting? > Thursday 28th December: No meeting? > > _IMSC 2 and TTML2 publication events:_ see the timeline of upcoming work > at > _https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/Publications#Timeline_of_TTML2_and_IMSC2_work > _ > > _Further ahead:_ > _ > _ > Thursday 4th January: TTWG meeting ? Hour(s) > Tuesday 9th and Wednesday 10th January: F2F meeting ? > Thursday 18th January: TTWG meeting ? Hour(s) > Thursday 25th January: TTWG meeting ? Hour(s) > > *Agenda+ Next Face to Face meeting* > * > * > Results of WBS survey: > https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34314/early2018ttwgf2fplanning/results > > Confirm location of 9-10 Jan face to face meeting. > > *Agenda+ **IMSC 1.1, TTML2, features, namespaces etc* > * > * > Continuing extensive discussion on the email reflector concerning > Netflix's objection to the proposals agreed at TPAC, to look for > solutions that are acceptable to all, by understanding members' concerns > better. > > Netflix objection: > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Nov/0107.html > > *Check current status* and any changes in position; > *Clarify timeline* and *next steps to resolve*. > > Note also Cyril's work to analyse the actual practical differences – is > this complete? If it is, can we address the specifics to understand the > alignment/mis-alignment? Are there any resulting actions? > > <https://docs..google.com/document/d/1Ri7RBBsbIK9SRxA1KsHRejXbYBuL4CRRrbmEZRbwZpg/edit?usp=sharing>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ri7RBBsbIK9SRxA1KsHRejXbYBuL4CRRrbmEZRbwZpg/edit?usp=sharing > > > *Agenda+ TTML2 processor behaviour vs TTML1* > * > * > *Actions* > ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with > ACTION-510 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/510>(edit) > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/510/edit> pending > review study TTT codebase and report on use of ttp:version to select > processor behavior > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/510> Glenn Adams > 2017-11-23 TTML2 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4> > > > *Agenda+ TTML2 Wide and Horizontal Review* > > *Actions* > ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with > ACTION-508 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/508>(edit) > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/508/edit> open Check > if there are editorial/substantive labels for ttml2 issues and add if > not. <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/508> Thierry > Michel 2017-10-12 TTML2 > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4> > > > Can the above action be closed? > > Are there still open Internationalisation review issues? > > *Agenda+ CSS actions review* > * > * > Are CSS issues filed for all style attributes for which we believe CSS > work is needed? > > See also https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Nov/0109.html > > _CSS WG review_ > _ > _ > Minutes from TTWG and CSS WG joint meeting at TPAC: > https://www.w3.org/2017/11/09-tt-minutes.html#item35 > Minutes from CSS WG Paris F2F that Nigel attended remotely on Friday 4th > August: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2017Sep/0000.html > This is at https://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/CSSRequirements > > TAG design review issue: https://github.com/w3ctag/design-reviews/issues/138 > > CSS Review of TTML2, threads: FW: TTML2 horizontal review with CSS > <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0013.html> and > Fwd: Subtitle/caption styling + TTML + CSS > <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0019.html> > > CSS 2.2 request for reviews from TTWG et al: Pre-announcement of CR for > CSS 2.2 & request for reviews > <https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0017.html> When > can we schedule a review and gather feedback? > > > *Agenda+ IMSC (now incorporates Unicode ticket)* > > *Actions* > ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with > ACTION-509 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/509>(edit) > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/509/edit> open > Propose liaison text for the imsc 1.1 fpwd > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/509> Pierre-Anthony > Lemieux 2017-10-12 TTML IMSC 2.0 > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/10> > > > > *Links* > * > * > IMSC Tests released as v1.0.0 at > https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/releases/tag/v1.0.0 . > > IMSC 1.0.1 > IMSC 1.0.1 CR published at > https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/CR-ttml-imsc1.0.1-20170713/ > IMSC 1.0.1 Implementation report at > https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_0_1_Implementation_Report > IMSC 1 Rec available at https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-ttml-imsc1-20160421/ > Patent policy call for exclusions sent 2017-02-03, archived at > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2017Feb/0006.html > > Editor's draft is directly viewable at > http://w3c.github.io/imsc/imsc1/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html > IMSC Implementation Page: > https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_implementation_page. > IMSC Tests repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests > > vNext Requirements > IMSCvNext Requirements editor's draft: > https://w3c.github.io/imsc-vnext-reqs/ > IMSCvNext Requirements repository: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs > > IMSC 1.1 FPWD: https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml-imsc1.1-20171017/ > > Unicode CLDR discussion > Unicode ticket is at http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915 > Pierre's response to the recent update is at > http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915#comment:9 > Email response from Shervin at Unicode > https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2016Dec/0018.html > > *Recent Activity* > > Merged IMSC pull requests: None > > Open IMSC pull requests: > > Clarify that tts:fillLineGap does not hide characters > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/283> > > New or discussed IMSC issues: None > > Closed IMSC issues: None > > > Merged IMSC Tests pull requests: None > > Open IMSC Tests pull requests: > > Adds test for linePadding w varying fontSize > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-tests/pull/39> > > New or discussed IMSC Tests issues: None > > Closed IMSC Tests issues: None > > Merged IMSCvNext Requirements pull requests: None > > Open IMSCvNext Requirements pull requests: > > List features that are excluded from deprecation requirements > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/pull/12> > > New or discussed IMSCvNext Requirements issues: None > > Closed IMSCvNext Requirements issues: None > > *Agenda sub-topics (pull requests and issues)* > * > * > /PROPOSAL: /Publish IMSC v1.1 Requirements as a WG Note > > IMSC issues *labelled for the agenda*: > https://github.com/w3c/imsc/labels/agenda : > > Clarify that tts:fillLineGap does not hide characters > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/pull/283> > Should itts:forcedDisplay be deprecated? > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/279> > Should ebutts:linePadding be deprecated? > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/278> > Should ebutts:multiRowAlign be deprecated? > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/277> > Should itts:fillLineGap be deprecated? > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/276> > Should ittp:activeArea be deprecated? > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/275> > ttp:displayAspectRatio is prohibited > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/273> > Deprecation of smpte:backgroundImage in favor of tt:image > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/259> > What fillLineGap does/ affects <https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/254> > > IMSC Requirements issues *labelled for the agenda*: > https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/labels/agenda : > > Specify deprecation model <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/14> > is tts:textShadow required? > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/13> > List features that are excluded from deprecation requirements > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/pull/12> > List features that are excluded from Requirement 1.3 > <https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/issues/11> > > IMSC issues *blocked*: https://github.com/w3c/imsc/labels/blocked > IMSC Requirements issues *blocked*: > https://github.com/w3c/imsc-vnext-reqs/labels/blocked > > * > * > *Agenda+ TTML1 & TTML2 issues, actions, PRs, editorial actions etc* > > *Actions:* > ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with > ACTION-443 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443>(edit) > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443/edit> open > Prepare a document showing mapping arib ruby extension features to ttml2 > for use as a liaison document to arib. > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/443> Glenn Adams > 2016-08-26 TTML2 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4> > ACTION-462 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462>(edit) > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462/edit> open > Create issue on ttml2 to add "mapping from other versions and profiles > of ttml" <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/462> Glenn > Adams 2016-04-28 TTML2 > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/4> > > > > *Links* > * > * > Most recent WD published at https://www.w3.org/TR/2017/WD-ttml2-20170630/ > > *Recent Activity* > > Merged TTML1 Pull Requests: > > Clarified tts:textDecoration inheritance > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/267> > > Clarify semantics in absence of begin attribute > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/264> > > Replaced ttp:frameRateMultipler with ttp:frameRateMultiplier > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/263> > > Clarified cell metrics semantics for tts:textOutline > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/268> > > Clarify zIndex stacking context <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/259> > > Tweak examples of Section O <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/257> > > Fixed EOLs to LF under /spec <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/274> > > Clarified TAB character presentation semantics > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/258> > > Clarify #backgroundColor re: block, inline and region semantics > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/256> > > Improve and fix Travis integration > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/278> > > Travis CO deployment <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/272> > > Merged TTML2 Pull Requests: None > Open TTML1 Pull Requests: > > Clarified application of tts:visibility to child elements > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/270> > > <set> elements no longer pruned by ISD > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/276> > Clarify that the computed value of tts:lineHeight='normal' is > 'normal' <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/260> > Update for PR #260 to resolve #220. > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/277> > Specify semantics of fontSize in 'em' on region > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/279> > Fix rgba typo in 8.3.2 <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/280> > Clarify percentage units in padding specification > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/281> > Remove CVS files and rendered zip files > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/282> > Deprecate offset-time and fraction component in smpte time base > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/283> > Added fractional time semantics to Annex N.2 > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/284> > Fixed typo at genericFamilyName <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/285> > Deprecate leap seconds in media time > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/286> > Add note re: semantics of circular actor references > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/287> > Clarify [associate region] algorithm > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/288> > > Open TTML2 Pull Requests: > > Issue 0406 style semantics <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/470> > > Fix gamma to 2.0 <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/497> > > Coalesce references to URI syntax into a new <uri> value expression > (… <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/488> > > Add clipBegin and clipEnd parameter attributes > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/pull/486> > > New TTML1 Issues: > > Push to gh-pages with an ssh key > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/271> > Some repo files have CRLF EOLs <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/273> > Chained Referential Styling spec vs example mismatch > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/275> > > New TTML2 Issues: None > > Closed TTML1 Issues: > > Clarify #backgroundColor regarding inclusion of block, inline, > region semantics. <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/255> > Ambiguity regarding tab (U+0009) processing in significant > whitespace. <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/235> > Some repo files have CRLF EOLs <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/273> > Examples in section O use an unusual tts:displayAlign setting > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/254> > Paint-On example improvement. <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/225> > tts:zIndex does not specify the root container zIndex value when > "auto" is not specified <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/241> > Use of cell metric in tts:textOutline. > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/218> > ttp:frameRateMultiplier typo <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/236> > No begin times in Pop-On example in Appendix O. > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/224> > Step 10.4.4.2(6)(a) does not apply to textDecoration. > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/219> > Push to gh-pages with an ssh key > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/271> > > Closed TTML2 Issues: None > > Discussed TTML1 Issues: > > <set> elements no longer pruned by ISD > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/276> > Clarify the semantics of tts:fontSize="2em". > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/214> > Computed value of lineHeight and inheritance. > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/220> > Two value percentage fontSize not fully defined. > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/215> > Agent and actor circular references. > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/201> > Clarify that the computed value of tts:lineHeight='normal' is > 'normal' <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/260> > tts:overflow does not apply to the region area > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/239> > > Discussed TTML2 Issues: None > > > *Agenda sub-topics (pull requests and issues)* > * > * > TTML1 issues *labelled for the agenda*: > https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/agenda : > > tts:overflow does not apply to the region area > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues/239> > Clarify that the computed value of tts:lineHeight='normal' is 'normal' > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/260> > Deprecate offset-time and fraction component in smpte time base > <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/283> > Deprecate leap seconds in media time <https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/pull/286> > * > * > Then remaining pull requests and issues. > > TTML1 issues *labelled for the agenda*: > https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/agenda > TTML1 issues *blocked*: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/labels/blocked > Current open issues: https://github.com/w3c/ttml1/issues and > https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/issues > See spreadsheet of editorial actions at > https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/ednotes.xlsx > Edit/build instructions now in README in ttml2/spec/ at > https://github.com/w3c/ttml2/blob/master/spec/README.md > > > *Agenda+ WebVTT review feedback* > > ID State Title Person Due Date Associated with > ACTION-396 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396>(edit) > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396/edit> open > Produce evidence of request for wide review for webvtt, for the archive > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/396> David Singer > 2015-04-17 WebVTT 1.0 > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/8> > ACTION-502 <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/502>(edit) > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/502/edit> open > Explain to david that we need a more consistent disposition of comments > for webvtt. <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/502> > Thierry Michel 2017-08-10 WebVTT 1.0 > <https://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/products/8> > > _ > _ > *Links* > * > * > WebVTT Wide review wiki page: https://www.w3.org/wiki/WebVTT_Wide_Review > > *Activity* > * > * > Open Pull requests: > > Class override <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/418> > > Timeranges <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/419> > > Cue setting clarifications <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/420> > > Add a "User agents that do not support CSS" conformance class. > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/389> > > Region clarification issue376 <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/400> > > Add a paragraph about the reasons why limiting styles. > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/410> > > Add some introductory paragraphs to the Data model section. > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/409> > > Merged Pull requests: > > Add some explanatory text about the different types of VTT files. > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/394> > > New issues: None > Closed issues: > > Wide Review Comment 2017: Timestamp syntax > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/370> > Wide Review Comment 2017: line cue setting direction > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/382> > CSS support should be optional > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/260> > Wide Review Comment 2017: Term definition with empty content > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/364> > Wide Review Comment 2017: Distinction between cue payload types > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/363> > Wide Review Comment 2017: Text color must be mandatory > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/365> > > Recently discussed issues: > > Wide Review Comment 2017: Conformance Classes not complete > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/361> > > Data model definition of WebVTT cue > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/416> > > Wide Review Comment 2017: Use of lines as positioning constructs > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/378> > > Wide Review Comment 2017: positioning model > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/383> > > Wide Review Comment 2017: default font size and line heights > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/371> > > Wide Review Comment 2017: Algorithmic specification > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/384> > > Wide Review Comment 2017: default background colour > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/372> > > Wide Review Comment 2017: position and size reference is video or > video viewport? <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/375> > > Unclear definition of time range > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/issues/415> > > Region clarification issue376 <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/400> > > Add a paragraph about the reasons why limiting styles. > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/410> > > Add some introductory paragraphs to the Data model section. > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/409> > > Add a "User agents that do not support CSS" conformance class. > <https://github.com/w3c/webvtt/pull/389> > > > *Agenda+ HDR in PNG *[placeholder agenda item] > > *Links* > * > * > We published this Note at https://www.w3.org/TR/png-hdr-pq/ (republished > 25th July incorporating fix for typo) > > Repo for PQ HDR in PNG: https://github.com/w3c/png-hdr-pq > Draft WG Note: https://w3c.github.io/png-hdr-pq/ > > *Activity* > * > * > Merged pull requests: None > > Open pull requests: None > > New or discussed issues: None > > Closed issues: None > 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