RE: TPE latest

Rob,

I thought A29WP guidance was for consent to be valid a publisher is unable
to provide a pre-checked box but now you feel for DNT to be activated its
okay to pre-check the box?  If this is true then publisher consent
dialogues should also be able to be pre-checked with user confirmation,
correct?

- Shane

Sent from a mobile device so please excuse brevity and typos

On Aug 30, 2017 10:20 PM, "Rob van Eijk" <rob@blaeu.com> wrote:

> I understand the rationale and I do not disagree. The rationale should be
> moved to  5.2 as it has a clarifying function there.
>
> On Xbox one, if the dialog had a preselected setting that needed
> confirmation at first use, I do not see the problem. Seems to me a clear
> example of confirmation by the user of the setting ar first use.The user
> action in this use case seems to me the confirm button.
> Moreover, UI is out of scope.
> Rob
>
> -----Original message-----
> *From:* Roy T. Fielding
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 31 2017, 2:50 am
> *To:* Rob van Eijk
> *Cc:* public-tracking@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: TPE latest
>
> On Aug 30, 2017, at 6:45 AM, Rob van Eijk <rob@blaeu.com> wrote:
>
> Moreover, Subsection 10.1 is redundant as it is already explained in
> subsection 5.2. Moreover, subsection 10.1 is not a privacy consideration as
> such. It has a clarifying function, which is already addressed in
> subsection 5.2.
>
> Therefore, I suggest deleting subsection 10.1. (I made the remark on 21 August, URL: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tracking/2017Aug/0017.html).
>
>
> And my response still stands: we are encountering implementations and
> public statements that explicitly violate the protocol semantics of 5.2.
>
> For example, my recently acquired XBOX ONE S web browser, which claims to
> be
> Edge, just popped up the privacy dialog on first use this weekend and it
> had
> sending of DNT:1 pre-selected for me.
>
> I think that more than justifies a little redundancy in the spec,
> particularly
> since section 10.1 doesn't just restate the requirements -- it explains
> their rationale
> with regard to privacy considerations.
>
> ....Roy
>
>