- From: Matthias Schunter (Intel Corporation) <mts-std@schunter.org>
- Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2013 14:49:00 +0100
- To: public-tracking@w3.org
Hi David, thanks a lot for your input. This allows us to go into a CfO (which would have been hard for 1 alternative ;-). I fully agree (and the current text says so) that in order to be used in a normative way, the included terms must be clear or defined, too. If we assume we aim for normative text (the harder challenge), what other concerns do you have with proposal (A)? Is there any way to improve (A) to produce normative text that you can support? Regards, matthias On 30/10/2013 10:10, David Singer wrote: > I would like to nominate Proposal-7 for part of the call for objections to Issue-5 (i.e. as a final candidate). > > > HOWEVER, the definition of tracking relies on two important questions: > 1. the definition of the terms it uses, notably network transaction/interaction, collect, retain, and share > 2. a great deal depends on whether tracking is used in the normative text, i.e. if we say 'third parties must stop tracking', or whether the restrictions are written using other defined terms (e.g. third parties must not collect data that can be associated…). In the latter case, the definition of tracking is merely setting the stage; in the former, it's setting scope. > > I think much of the debate between Roy and myself might concern question 2, and I am not clear on it. Is the group deciding to set the stage, or set the scope, with this definition? Will 'tracking' be used in normative text in the specification, or not? > > It's also going to be hard to agree on this before cleaning up (at least) 'network transaction', and maybe collect, retain, and share. > > I hope this helps. > > > My apologies for the call; I am required to chair a session at the MPEG meeting (Geneva). > > > On Oct 29, 2013, at 17:30 , Carl Cargill <cargill@adobe.com> wrote: > >> All – >> >> Our agenda for tomorrow. >> >> As Matthias has pointed out for European participants, there is a divergence in the standard for daylight savings time between the two continents, so please take that into account as we move forward tomorrow. >> >> Carl >> >> >> >> 1. Confirmation of scribe. Volunteers welcome >> >> 2. Offline-caller-identification (see end for instructions) >> >> 3. Update on evolution of TPWG plan (Carl/Matthias) >> >> >> ---- issues for this Call --- >> >> Note: See more info at the end for details. >> >> 4. ISSUE-5 [Matthias] >> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/5 >> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Privacy/TPWG/Change_Proposal_Tracking_Definition >> DEADLINES for ISSUE-5: >> October 30: M3 (announcement) Call for objections to validate / determine consensus >> November 13: M5 (deadline) Deadline for inputs to call for objections (2 weeks after M3); Analysis starts >> >> 5. ISSUE-10 [Matthias] >> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/10 >> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Privacy/TPWG/Change_Proposal_Party_Definitions >> DEADLINES for ISSUE-10: >> October 30: M3 (announcement): Call for objections to validate / determine consensus >> November 13: M5 (deadline): Deadline for inputs to call for objections (2 weeks after M3); Analysis starts >> >> 6. ISSUE-16 What does it mean to collect, retain, use, and share data? (Carl) >> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/16 >> http://www.w3.org/wiki/Privacy/TPWG/Change_Proposal_Transience_Collection >> >> DEADLINES for ISSUE-16: >> Oct 30: M1 Discuss change proposals + Call for final list of change proposals >> November 6: M2 List of change proposals is frozen; Discussion whether clear consensus emerges for one change proposal ISSUES-204, -217, -228 (definition of network interaction and user interaction) (Carl) >> >> Oct 30: M0 Initial call for change proposals; Submit all change proposals >> November 6: M1 Discuss change proposals + Call for final list of change proposals >> >> 7. ISSUES-204, -217, -228 (definition of network interaction and user interaction) (Carl) >> >> Oct 30: M0 Initial call for change proposals; Submit all change proposals >> November 6: M1 Discuss change proposals + Call for final list of change proposals >> >> 8. ISSUE-201 Interplay between UGE and Out of Band Consent (Matthias) >> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/issues/201 >> >> >> DEADLINES for ISSUE-201: >> Oct 30: M1 Discuss change proposals + Call for final list of change proposals >> November 6: M2 List of change proposals is frozen; Discussion whether clear consensus emerges for one change proposal >> >> ================ Summary Documentation on Resolving ISSUES ================= >> Complete list of issues against the compliance-current spec: >> http://www.w3.org/2011/tracking-protection/track/products/5 >> >> PHASES to resolve issues: >> M0 (announcement): Initial call for change proposals; All change proposals should be drafted >> M1 (discussion): Initial change proposals have been submitted; Discussion on change proposals; Call for final list of change proposals >> M2 (discussion): List of change proposals is frozen; Discussion whether clear consensus emerges for one change proposal >> M3 (announcement): Call for objections to validate / determine consensus >> M5 (deadline): Deadline for inputs to call for objections (2 weeks after M3); Analysis starts >> M7 (announcement): Results are announced >> >> STATUS of the ISSUES: >> - OPEN During phases M0, M1, M2 >> - PENDING REVIEW: During phases M3, M5 >> - CLOSED after M7 >> All other issues are RAISED. >> ----- >> This URL >> As indicated in our plan, the following issues are currently OPEN for discussion in our calls. >> ================ Infrastructure ================= >> >> Zakim teleconference bridge: >> VoIP: sip:zakim@voip.w3.org >> Phone +1.617.761.6200 passcode TRACK (87225) >> IRC Chat: irc.w3.org<http://irc.w3.org/>, port 6665, #dnt >> >> OFFLINE caller identification: >> If you intend to join the phone call, you must either associate your >> phone number with your IRC username once you've joined the call >> (command: "Zakim, [ID] is [name]" e.g., "Zakim, ??P19 is schunter" in my >> case), or let Nick know your phone number ahead of time. If you are not >> comfortable with the Zakim IRC syntax for associating your phone number, >> please email your name and phone number to >> npdoty@w3.org<mailto:npdoty@w3.org>. We want to reduce (in fact, >> eliminate) the time spent on the call identifying phone numbers. Note >> that if your number is not identified and you do not respond to >> off-the-phone reminders via IRC, you will be dropped from the call. >> >> >> > David Singer > Multimedia and Software Standards, Apple Inc. > >
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