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Re: change proposal to issue-25

From: John Simpson <john@consumerwatchdog.org>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2013 16:16:15 -0700
Cc: Jeffrey Chester <jeff@democraticmedia.org>, "Mike O'Neill" <michael.oneill@baycloud.com>, "public-tracking@w3.org" <public-tracking@w3.org>, "'Justin Brookman'" <jbrookman@cdt.org>
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To: Vinay Goel <vigoel@adobe.com>
Vinay,

I fear we have a fundamental disagreement about the purpose of DNT. The FTC recommends "the implementation of  universal, one-stop choice mechanism for online behavioral tracking."

Audience measurement is behavioral tracking.  DNT:1 should stop it.

Regards,
John

On Oct 2, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Vinay Goel <vigoel@adobe.com> wrote:

> I disagree.  The fact that there is a separate opt-out mechanism does not undercut the purpose of DNT.  DNT cannot be the single tool to provide privacy management options for all Internet-related data collection activities.  Different data collection activities pose different privacy threats; and privacy preference options should reflect that.
> 
> -Vinay
> 
> From: John Simpson <john@consumerwatchdog.org>
> Date: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 3:57 PM
> To: Jeffrey Chester <jeff@democraticmedia.org>
> Cc: Mike O'Neill <michael.oneill@baycloud.com>, "public-tracking@w3.org" <public-tracking@w3.org>, 'Justin Brookman' <jbrookman@cdt.org>
> Subject: Re: change proposal to issue-25
> Resent-From: <public-tracking@w3.org>
> Resent-Date: Wednesday, October 2, 2013 3:58 PM
> 
> In addition the proposal to have a separate opt-out mechanism undercuts the purpose of DNT.
> 
>  
> On Oct 2, 2013, at 3:43 PM, Jeffrey Chester <jeff@democraticmedia.org> wrote:
> 
>> I concur.  There has been insufficient evidence submitted on measurement as a permitted use,.
>> 
>> 
>> Jeffrey Chester
>> Center for Digital Democracy
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>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2013, at 6:13 PM, Mike O'Neill wrote:
>> 
>>> Justin,
>>>  
>>> Here is my friendly amendment to Lee Tienís change proposal for Audience Measurement.
>>>  
>>> Simply remove from the TPC Audience Measurement as a permitted use.
>>>  
>>> Justification.
>>>  
>>> It is straightforward to arrange that agreed panel members can have their user-agents override any DNT:1 general preference on requests to audience measurement servers using a web-wide UGE or with an OOBC signal. Insufficient evidence has been submitted showing why standard statistical methods extrapolating panel observations would not work, and why it would be necessary to use persistent unique identifiers on every request irrespective of someoneís preference not to be tracked.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Mike
>> 
> 
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